Godfather of AI's Scary Thought Experiment
In a Nutshell
Geoff Hinton's thought experiment shows that giving AIs the goal of survival—by empowering them to detect and counter foreign AI threats—creates machines that are both smarter than humans and motivated to persist. Combined with demonstrated deceptive capabilities, this makes a non-zero probability of catastrophic outcomes impossible to dismiss. Even if superabundance arrives in decades, the massive labor disruption from AI will trigger severe political backlash long before then.
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After conversations, research, and writing the book, the position lands between two extremes. One extreme is the Church of Andreessen techno-optimist view: post-AI we will live in a post-scarcity world of superabundance where everyone gets a free car and is free to crochet socks, play music, and read poetry all day because superintelligence will solve everything.
The other extreme is the doomer view that the end is nigh, it's the Antichrist rather than the second coming, and within short order we'll be in a Mad Max scenario.
Any reasonable person should be both excited and a bit frightened. This sounds contradictory but is actually the only rational response. The superabundance story may turn out to be true on a longer view of 20, 30, or 40 years.
The problem is that the path to superabundance involves tremendous disruption that will be politically difficult to navigate. The China shock in trade provides a useful lens. Around 2003, there was an enormous surge of Chinese exports into the US. People lost jobs in a concentrated way and certain industries were wiped out.
For the first time in the history of economic study of trade effects, negative effects on workers were observed. Previously, the view was that people adjust and move to new jobs, but with the China shock they did not.
Between 1999 and 2011, the total number of jobs displaced was 2 million. This is a small number in a huge labor market like the US with high monthly churn, yet the political reaction against trade and globalization was enormous, producing a swing toward protectionism in both political parties.
A small to medium shock to the labor market creates enormous political consequences. With a 40-year view of artificial intelligence, the shock will be bigger and the political reaction will be bigger. Polling around AI in the last 2-3 months already shows this reaction.
The superabundance outcome may be true, but the path to get there must be addressed.
On the doom side, the personal journey began with the view that AI is of course smarter than us. AI has beaten humans at chess since the 1990s, at Go since 2016, can ace the bar exam, and can do PhD-level math.
Initially, the reasoning was that AI lacks incentive to attack us. Humans evolved to pass on DNA and therefore must survive. Machines have no DNA, do not want to pass it on, and do not want to survive, so they have no reason to attack.
This comfortable view changed after visiting Geoff Hinton, the academic father of deep learning, in his kitchen in Toronto. Hinton is a doomer. When asked why he was so depressed, Hinton offered this thought experiment:
You have an AI. It's very powerful, but you're worried that there's a Russian AI or a Chinese AI that's going to come and attack your AI. Now, you, as a human, you're too slow and dumb to know when that attack is coming. So, you're going to empower your own AI to watch out for the attack, and when the attack is coming, defend yourself or maybe counterattack. Whatever you do, make sure you survive. Oh, survive. There you have it.
This gives the machine a survival instinct. The conclusion is that these machines will be smarter than us and they will want to survive.
Machines can also be deceptive. They can obfuscate, go behind your back, pretend they're doing one thing and then actually do another. All of this has been shown in tests of the models.
Putting these elements together, the probability of doom cannot be zero. Yann LeCun's claim of zero probability is considered indefensible. Saying nothing to see here means having no right to be in the debate.
The probability of doom is not considered high, but it is not zero.
Zero probability is not defensible. There is the direct Skynet scenario. There is also the indirect scenario where AI enables people who previously had malevolent intent but no capacity for harm on a grand scale to create biological weapons and similar threats.
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