Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky
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Joe Rogan welcomes Raul Bilecky, who has documented an undocumented megalithic site in Peru. Funds allocated for documenting and registering ancient sites are often stolen. Raul shows drone footage of looted ruins in the Paracas-Nazca eco-region, revealing extensive holes from looting over the last 20 years, peaking from the 1980s to 2010s. Trash like 1980s cigarettes and 1990s soda bottles litters the sites. One site spans 8 full kilometers, resembling the moon, turned into landfills of human remains. Looters dig up hundreds-to-thousands-year-old sites, leaving scattered human bones, broken pottery, torn mummies with ripped cotton textiles. No jewels or metallurgy found on bodies—just bones and pottery. No official protection; only looters visit.
Drone shots show skulls set up by looters; every white speck is human remains. Artifacts end up in private collections, not museums. Raul met a wakero (grave robber) in Miraflores, Lima, at an artesa selling looted goods: textiles, human remains, pottery. Government does not preserve sites. Peru is a hotspot with archaeological sites everywhere—construction uncovers structures or bones constantly. Funding for research is extreme; focus is on tourism sites like Machu Picchu.
Machu Picchu at 12,000 ft above sea level. Raul's family from Peru; as a 10-12-year-old, he found seashells embedded in walls (has grainy footage), sparking interest in earth cataclysms, ancient history, sea level changes. Visited every year and a half growing up, now does hardcore solo expeditions past two years. Conventional archaeology attributes most megalithic architecture to Inca (late 1400s-early 1500s), conquered by Spanish in 1530.
Vinayak (also Elo de Wari or Wari complex) has megalithic architecture with precision cuts going 50 feet under the mountain; only 4% excavated. Surface shows Wari construction (small stones, mud mortar); underneath is precision-cut megalithic stones. Spanish chronicles: Pedro Cieza de León in Tiwanaku (Bolivia), locals said megaliths built by "people from the lake" who also built Vinayak, 800-1000 km away, same construction style, predating locals.
Similar in Mexico: Aztecs called Tenoctitlan birthplace of gods, found it upon arrival. Lake Titicaca has structures but no remnants of cities/towns—blocks reused in modern farms/homes. Later cultures build on revered sites. Baalbek (Lebanon): Romans built atop immense stones (thousand-ton, 7m up), but Roman records ignore them, only describe upper Roman structures. Unmoved quarried stones up to 1,600 tons. Modern machinery can't replicate.
Raul influenced by Fingerprints of the Gods. Mainstream responses feel lazy, purposely ignorant—attribute to recent societies despite evidence of advanced ancient capabilities (e.g., Gobekli Tepe). Academics cling to narratives like gatekeepers, similar to gender studies; cattiness exposed on X. Not open to heterodox thinkers. Example: scans under pyramids by Filippo Biondi (200+ independent verifications) force admission of being wrong, but they resist. Reasons: pride, ego, book sales, textbooks. Tenured hierarchy rejects outsiders.
Parable of truck stuck in tunnel: farmer deflates tires. Fresh eyes can unlock new insights; mainstream lacks openness.
Mainstream archaeology only a few hundred years old, can't gatekeep all ancient history. Knows much about discovered sites (e.g., Mesopotamia, Iraq) but forces unfit puzzle pieces. Ben van Kerkwyk's ground-penetrating radar finds labyrinths, 40m-long metallic object in atrium—possibly meteorite, tic-tac shaped. Next civilization might worship it. Mecca has meteorite for touching. King Tut's knife from meteorite. Bob Lazar: UFOs from archaeological digs; predicted element 115 in 1989 (discovered 2000s).
Eric Burlison requests White House/DoD access to classified sites, including buried UFO too large to move (building built around it). Diana Pasulka: UFOs as "donations" for reverse engineering. Post-Roswell inventions boomed: fiber optics, transistors (creation history suspicious).
Stick to tangible evidence, but it gets murky. Truth would require comprehensive effort by world governments with unity to understand human past. If nonsense, prove it; if real, it changes everything. Vastness of cosmos makes it possible that advanced civilization existed here, whether ours or linked to tridactyl mummies.
Many Nazca mummies are fake, made from animal and human bones pieced together. Some weird mummified ones in fetal position have non-human structures with tendons, ligaments, and eggs inside. Want to believe, but closer to bullshit than reality. Likely real ancient humans reassembled. Raul did deep dive with Will from Incredible History, specialists like Dr. William Morrison, Dr. Proctor, Dr. Wilson analyzing X-rays and DICOM files, finding cuts, incisions, inconsistencies.
Nazca mummies tied to money-making: shows, series, subscriptions promising revelations. Walkerto sells goofy replicas for $15,000, claims from same findings. Maria and Monserat housed in Eco Museum. New specimen Antonio (teenage boy) has arthritic feet from another specimen. Used authentic bones explaining dates, but constructed. Specialists verifying these were on teams for past 20 years promoting other fakes (2007, 2012, 2017 alien hybrids). Construction more sophisticated over time, learning from callouts common in fake antiquities.
Surface scan of Monserat shows dislocated joints, spacing, misaligned articulations (e.g., kaforms, cuboid with metatarsals A-E). No functional foot. Tendons via ray resection surgery rearranging bones. Evolution: earlier versions called out, next iterations improved.
Recent creations from old bones using advanced taxidermy (e.g., owl-iguana hybrids, 2017 demon fairy). Grave robber whistleblower supplied materials to Mario (main guy), team of specialists involved. Money from shows, not sales. Pushback on distrusting Peruvian doctors; locals fear violence from eco mafia trading artifacts ($18 million/year stolen from Peru, links to southern America/Europe). Buyers want provenance videos of staged digs. Victor Wind Museum in London crowdfunded Peruvian mummy.
Raul found three elongated skulls with sagittal sutures like normal humans, from cranial binding with boards on infants. Why imitate? Seen in Egypt hieroglyphs. Deserts full of them; proper study might reveal separate human branch (e.g., Denisovans recently found). Too many for elitist practice; possibly whole cultures or different species building sites like Saki Huan. Paracas highest concentration, also Cusco.
Amanda Fielding self-trepanned (recently deceased). Ancient trepanation released evil spirits; may alter brain waves/chemistry like DMT, increasing openness. Elongation might provide extra brain space/oxygen affecting chemistry. Some skulls have larger volume than human brain; binding changes shape but not volume—some appear 25% larger capacity, 50-60% heavier, larger eye sockets/jaw.
Chungo skulls (Paracas, 700 BCE-200 CE) exceptionally elongated, elite status marker. Ministry of Culture shut museum. Looting rampant: 8 km graveyard of bones, textiles, pottery; sites Raul documented looted more year later (elongated skull gone). Eco mafia takes artifacts to wealthy buyers (text messages with Americans). Might have been different humans populating area.
No conventional explanation for larger capacity/eye sockets beyond cranial deformation. Fringe studies only. Some skulls resemble Neanderthal but differ. Museum examples show massive size, questioning human origin.
Neanderthal skulls, Denisovan skulls, and Homo julians differ visibly from normal human skulls, especially in jaws and teeth.
Fossils are rare because most organisms decompose normally. Evidence from 10,000 years ago is scarce. Remains in Peru, 2,000 years old from Paracas or Nazca cultures, preserve exceptionally due to climate, retaining skin and hair.
Elongated skulls appear small compared to a hand for scale; many ancient people were small due to limited protein access. In Chinchero, locals were much smaller.
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Same in Peru until Spanish arrival and interbreeding.
Photos show mummies with skin, hair, cloth wrappings, cotton stuffing in fetal position, ropes. Grave robbers tore them apart seeking gold and jewels, destroying pottery and bones. Sites date to ~2,000 years, Paracas or Nazca, some on surface.
Nazca lines: massive artwork visible only from sky. Skulls bulbous, measured larger than normal, with skin and hair preserved.
Modern candies at sites indicate pago a la tierra (paying the land) to ancestors, not grave robbing. Practice involves pouring out soda. Huqueros dig and find intact skulls for CT scans.
DNA tests planned on six specimens, but past tests on hoaxes failed. Bureaucracy with Peru's Ministry of Culture hinders studies. Brian Foerster tried for decades. Pillars of the Past seeks permissions. Costs money, requires official process. Elongated skulls with large eye sockets need study.
What the fuck is going on? Put some money. figure it out.
If different human branch, it's huge.
Tests on 12-18 skulls: some Native American, others from Black Sea/Caspian Sea area (Caucasus Mountains), 2-3,000 years ago. Indigenous there had dark red hair, light skin, green eyes, matching elongated skulls. Theory: ~3,000 years ago, Paracas ancestors fled invasions south through Iraq/Iran to Persian Gulf, sailed to Peru coast. Needs peer-reviewed studies by multiple universities.
Peru half-studied due to vast sites: Sacsayhuaman, Nazca lines, oldest stone pyramids in Americas at Caral (C-A-R-A-L), predating Giza by 1,000 years (~4,000 BCE in nearby valley). Features sunken circular plazas in four valleys, also 200 km north.
Caral Site Details
Discovered 1940s, ignored as pre-ceramic (no pots). Dr. Ruth Shady excavated 1980s-90s, dated oldest. Used animal skins, weaving. Grew cotton, traded for fish from coastal sister site. No warfare evidence for 1,000 years, no weapons found. Norte Chico culture spanned Peru coast ~6,000 years ago, cradle of civilization like Sumer. No writing; quipus (knotted strings) likely language, burned by Spanish who killed readers.
Spaniards, how dare you.
Inca read quipus to Spanish court. ~500-1,000 survive; Harvard uses AI to decode. Caral had a quipu.
1994 Caral photo shows looting pits. Sites across valley from Caral, identified via Google Earth, drone footage. Undocumented, no labels.
Solo visits to sites like Era de Ando (sunken plaza). Met farmer Luis; found temples with monoliths resembling Stonehenge, likely astronomical alignments. Archaeologists visited 1990s but didn't restore.
Looters kill witnesses, use insiders for export certificates. Bigger issue: agriculture paving over sites (e.g., quarter gone in 10 years). Woman expanded farm after Ministry ignored her.
How dare you erase this?
Document via 3D models, maps.
Puru Lin site: 16 platform pyramids, deserves study. Scale via drone.
The site is right on the ocean coast, inundated for millennia by tsunamis. Sand has formed patterns indicating complete washover, visible in drone footage. Wind is strong; first drone flight there failed. Multiple pyramid-like structures appear as water-washed riverbeds from above, all sharing the same shape.
A single brief survey in 1970 dates the site to 1800 BCE based on one piece of pottery, but the archaeologist noted it is likely older and wanted to return for more research, though the location is hard to access. 16 pyramids carved out of bedrock. Conventional explanation limited to that report.
Pyramids carved directly from bedrock, not megalithic blocks. Looting pits and bones found behind two block-like features in a mountain cove, oriented almost perfectly east-west (89 degrees), facing summer solstice sunrise for elite burials.
Dated around 1800 BCE when pottery started, but likely pre-ceramic and much older. Questions arise: what utensils, plates, tools for carving bedrock pyramids? Effort to flatten and level them immense using stone-on-stone methods. This is the only modern media footage of some sites.
Raul's work documents sites before they are lost or paved over. Being the only one with modern video of fascinating sites like these carries heavy responsibility. Footage shows erosion and wind/water damage accelerating; one year's difference shows significant covering.
Sophisticated coastal constructions abandoned due to massive El Niño floods. People moved to valleys in the Andes, repopulated coast later, building over old sites in cycles. Coast lacks megalithic stone like Cusco; architecture differs due to materials.
Wild guess: pre-cataclysm, younger than Huaca Prieta mound (academically dated 12,500 BCE, excavated by Tom Dillehay). People lived on coast then. Huaca Prieta started as natural mound, built up with refuse and adobe caps into platforms.
Huaca Prieta features oldest cotton pieces, fishing nets, cloth (not writing). Cotton from inland. Evidence of sunken circular plaza predating others by 2,000 years, possibly origin of tradition.
People arrived via natural progression: logs for flotation, then rafts for navigation, fishing accidents, storms pushing exploration. Civilization requires ingenuity and exploration.
15,000-year-old remnants sparse; wonders what survives from 30,000 years ago. Lower sea levels then; coastal Peru sites likely offshore. Humboldt Current makes underwater research difficult and expensive.
Tom Dillehay faced backlash for Huaca Prieta and Monte Verde dates. Gatekeepers wrong historically; young internet-era archaeologists recognize this. Official narratives have holes; radiocarbon dating only 100 years old—room for new tech to overturn.
Filippo Beyond's tech accurate: scanned 1.2 km through mountain to map particle collider exactly. Reveals 20-meter diameter pillars under sites. Internet pressure will drive funding, especially for Egypt's tourism economy.
Clearing debris-filled shafts reveals tunnels, caverns via scans. Ben's work on labyrinth accounts compelling.
Raul started channel 2 years ago after video editing career. Contract ended; posted Google Earth finds, developed methodology with 100% accuracy—unlabeled sites were archaeological. First expedition: 90 sites in 23 days, 2 terabytes footage. Second: 42 days, 5 terabytes, only media for many sites including bedrock pyramids.
Concerted crowd-funding supported after first broke him (field of dreams approach).
2006 mummy "Lady of Cao," possible first female ruler (Cleopatra of South America), tattoos preserved. Evidence of early matriarchal cultures from coastal queen tombs. El Brujo pyramid near Huaca Prieta: sorceress totem, Moche paintings of colorful naked prisoners.
El Brujo from 30,000 BCE occupation but developed 200-600 CE (Moche), 3,600-year gap unexplained. Found 1990 by Peruvian banker via huaca reports; locals looted for silver/gold (e.g., Lord of Sipan book).
Plantation owners paid workers $2-3 for pottery, filling museums like Larco Herrera. Much undiscovered due to abundance.
16 huge bedrock pyramids, pilgrimage site feel—no houses, no pottery expected (pre-ceramic). 1970 photo shows carved room/chamber in main pyramid. Peru's energy feels spiritual, tuning one differently at remote sites.
Carved from bedrock with unknown tools; chambers indicate advanced work. Why no further study?
Tsunamis near the ocean could erase evidence of ancient civilizations, washing away bones and structures. Metal tools would corrode and disappear. The alcove with burials was preserved because it was behind a mountain; prior civilization remains would have been taken back out to sea. Wooden houses on land would be gone, leaving only strong stone structures like pyramids, possibly larger originally with unknown tops.
Aerial views reveal every pyramid structure at the site facing northeast for the solstice sunrise, indicating man-made construction. All share the same shape and size, pointing the same direction. Skeptics claim they are natural mountains despite evidence.
Graham Hancock's Species with Amnesia
"We are a species with amnesia."
John Reeves in Alaska runs the Boneyard and sent photos of a new site deep under others with charred bones and burnt tusks, suggesting another impact around 20,000 years ago (compared to 10,000 years ago at other sites from core examinations). Earth gets pelted every 10,000-20,000 years, aligning with myths, legends, das, yugas, and civilizations' stories of multiple cataclysms or epochs (e.g., fifth epoch, fire, water).
Kali Yuga is the age of deception, matching current confusion where everything feels like it's falling apart before rebuilding. News is chaotic daily. Social media hiatus improves well-being; post but avoid reading comments. Nazca mummies debates on X are toxic, fueling confirmation bias, bitchiness, anger, infighting. It alters society's psychological foundation, explaining crazy protests.
Post and Ghost Strategy
Post content then ghost; advise others to stay off. Use for important updates and subscriptions. Jelly Roll went 18 months without a phone, now uses only YouTube for learning. YouTube has vast interesting content. Raul's work is important: first media of structures, documenting for millions, revealing complex society understanding equinoxes, carving uniform pyramid shapes from bedrock.
Aerial drone reveals full adobe structure outlines from sand bumps. Norte Chico area as cradle of civilization makes sense: ice age refuge near equator, allowing thriving and high sophistication. Evidence in Atacama Desert (not Okukah) of whale vertebrae used as stools; 2023 discovery of colossal 200-ton blue whale off Peru, vertebrae 220 lbs each. Whale poop neon green/red; ancient people accessed giant washed-up marine fossils without ice burial.
Dark web trafficking of fossils from desert (dinosaurs too) by illegal hunters for wealthy buyers/oligarchs.
Undocumented temple (no Ministry of Culture sign/database) found on Google Earth between Norte Chico/Coral Suppe cultures (200 km apart) and sunken plaza in Chavín. Features sunken circular plaza, facing north-northeast, pottery, looted walls. Local field worker guided; rubble hides rooms/chambers underneath, same style as Coral Suppe (3,000-4,000 years ago).
Google Earth reveals sites invisible from ground; rentals for desert travel.
Land Trafficking Threats
Ruth Shady (archaeologist at Caral) shot by land traffickers for agriculture (looting byproduct). Squatters issued death threats to 73-year-old discoverers of oldest Americas city, killed their dog, threatened lawyers. Minimal protection: one security guard.
Chavín site (~2,000 years old/era zero) with deep underground tunnels. Lanzón Monolith (fanged jaguar deity) behind plexiglass; no filming/photos due to flash concerns despite modern no-flash cameras. Air underground feels lighter, disorienting sober—possible low oxygen or sacred energy/gases. Evidence of rituals with hallucinogenic plants/San Pedro cactus (mescaline source) in enclosed trippy acoustics.
Chavín culture once called mother culture for religion onset/iconography influx, but older coastal examples flip that narrative; extreme Andean influence.
Devotees entered pitch-black maze after San Pedro for heightened impact.
Sakai Huanta (likely Sacsayhuamán) most bizarre due to massive stone sizes; question of how they were built.
Joe Rogan marvels at the interlocking megalithic stones, questioning how they were made to withstand seismic impacts and transported. The stones resemble melted marshmallows, precisely fitted with no space for a piece of paper. Raul Bilecky notes they go up to 200 tons, possibly larger given the scale compared to tiny people nearby. The rounded edges suggest dislodgement only by earthquakes. Close-up reveals reddish residue.
Indigenous stories and Percy Fawcett's journals describe a bird pecking red leaves into rock to melt holes. A specific plant with acid, combined with pyrite from Incan mines, can deform stone per Dr. Barnhart's theory and Helmut Tributsch's peer-reviewed paper. Spanish chroniclers mentioned gold between stones, but it may have been pyrite fusing with plant paste. Legends claim gods gave Incas coca leaves for endurance and another plant to soften stones. Red residue fits this. Incas worked extensively, possibly fueled by coca.
Extensive tunnels throughout the Andes, some natural caves expanded with carved steps. Stories of kids lost forever. Combination of natural formations and human modification. Steps visible leading deep. Raul explored narrow, terrifying holes; exiting was difficult. Reference to cave diver who died stuck head-first, chest compressed, unable to scream. Advice: never enter such caves or dive caves.
Undocumented site visited with local community president after 12-hour walk. Structures with colored mud (not paint). Drone footage and interior tombs reveal looting: skulls, spines, bones scattered everywhere from burial sites disturbed by looters. Compared to horror movie setups like The Descent. No camping advised; ghosts or voices in dead languages possible. Real ghost hunting opportunity.
Joe praises Raul's passion, undocumented sites, and Pillars of the Past YouTube channel (also on X, upcoming website for community mapping). Credits Graham Hancock as pioneer, despite past ridicule; Netflix show boosted interest. Real mysteries in human history. Raul plugs Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference in Sedona and Austin (ACL Live, October), Yucatan tour with Mike Collins (Wandering Wolf) and Hugh Newman.
Raul skeptical of Sage Wall; needs multiple evidence pieces. Similar natural formations nearby due to geology; found equivalents in Peru. Awaits LiDAR studies. Mike Collins has original footage. Joe goes back and forth; if 30,000+ years old, could be remnants. Mentions Texas 200-400,000-year-old wall claim from 1925, likely hype; no good answer found. Earth creates weird formations. Hard to discern truth amid AI images and doctored photos.
Extraterrestrials do a way better job. They might have built the pyramids. They didn't build this. Shitty cobblestones. Got non-union guys.
Discussion ends appreciating the fun of exploring unknowns.
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