Joe Rogan Experience #2495 - Tim Burchett
In a Nutshell
Rep. Tim Burchett details lifelong UFO fascination, explosive viral TMZ interview sparking global interest, military cover-ups of UAPs (e.g., Tic Tacs, underwater bases exceeding human tech), Bob Lazar's credible S4 reverse-engineering claims, and resistance from compartmentalized contractors/Pentagon fearing energy/oil disruptions. He slams congressional insider trading, Taliban siphoning $40M weekly US aid, CIA mind control legacies like MKUltra, and blocks on disclosure/whistleblower protections amid suspicious scientist deaths. Trump pushes disclosure but faces deep state hurdles; psychedelics aid veterans' PTSD, urging full transparency on non-human craft/bodies despite elite panic over societal impacts.
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Joe Rogan welcomes Tim Burchett. Burchett mentions a phone briefing tomorrow at 3:00 PM from one of Seth's top dogs on UFO-related information, but warns not to get hopes up due to lack of faith in government. Praises President Trump for never lying to him, but doubts Trump knows the right questions or people, as the cover-up dates to at least 1947. Pentagon and others resist disclosure.
Burchett's parents: father WWII Marine on Peleliu and Okinawa, mother flew planes during WWII, uncle Roy killed fighting Nazis. Grew up without electricity until senior year of high school. Parents allowed independence. At 7-8 years old, rode bike to library in East Tennessee, discovered UFO books, followed magazine articles, looked for UFOs at night but never saw one until briefings.
Walking down street, TMZ reporter Colin (former colleague, Black) asked for comment on UFO report. Burchett predicted it would be redacted like shot with 12-gauge, delayed weeks—not released that week. Report had new public info but was hidden. Interview went viral, led to calls from worldwide legislators including Russia, doctors, lawyers, engineers, military, Congress members. Over 55% of Americans believe we're not alone. Bullies in Congress mock him. Looks at stars at 3 AM walking dogs; starlight predates Christ, some stars already gone. Humans are one grain of sand on billion beaches, doubts we're God's best.
I still don't think we're the best that God can do. I just can't imagine we're his shining [example] on the mantel.
Christian critics call UFOs demons; Burchett trusts Jesus, doesn't worry, doubts demons need craft.
Briefed by former admiral in office—friendly but cautious due to suspected scoping by departments. Alphabet agency briefing ended with claim of insufficient funding, possibly to shake money tree based on polls.
8 years in Congress, 16 in Tennessee state legislature, 8 as county mayor. First inside info in Congress 5-6 years ago during Trump's first administration (~8 years ago). Raised hell because of cover-up; doesn't trust government after lifetime in it.
Interest from childhood; TMZ interview 7-8 years ago started calls. Asked questions like "What is this? Where are you seeing these things?" Nationally known people visited office, shared info. Group came to his house (uncomfortable in DC office), hooked computer to TV, showed objects flying at extreme speeds and angles that would turn humans into "ketchup package."
Missions scrubbed due to UAPs; personnel told to stay silent. Pilots pulled from flight line, psych evaluation, 8-hour "debriefing" (really interrogation), record hangs over them. Pilot smashed recorder near knee to avoid evidence. With Reps. Luna and Matt Gaetz, briefed in Florida on pilots' sightings and photos. Briefers diverted to Chinese communist infiltration in ocean; Gaetz demanded pilots, threatened subpoenas. Spooks (military intel/CIA) got nervous. After Gaetz called Air Force contact, pilots brought in fresh from planes in flight gear. Described craft hovering extended periods, shooting straight up at incredible speeds beyond U.S. capability. Top military people; not Russia (tied in Ukraine, Putin ego), not China (would dominate more), not U.S. (won't risk $500M aircraft/pilots like retrieving Iran-downed pilot).
Sightings in deep water areas; craft underwater >200 mph, sonar size of football field (U.S. max ~30-40 knots underwater, nothing that large). No heat signature. Hopes for footage release but fears sanitization. Obama admitted aliens then backtracked recently.
Trump said Obama shouldn't have said that because classified, but might release it.
Burchett told Trump: peel layers like onion. Trump has guts, not beholden.
Group showed videos because Burchett asking right questions.
Deep Throat moment in tunnel: friend warned pushing UFOs could upset religious community, better left unknown. Burchett: government can't decide what public can handle. Two-page disclosure bill ignored; Schumer's 60-page modeled on endless Kennedy assassination releases (>60 years). Leadership warned intelligence community unhappy. Trump's ex-staffer advised "get some bodies around you."
Aware of missing/killed scientists on alternative energy, tied to UFOs. Theory: like mob restaurant, rough up busboys to silence kingpin chef. Timing uncanny around hearings/Trump disclosure promises—high officials disappear. Nobody disappears without wanting to; cameras everywhere. Deep state reek.
Knocking doors, met Oak Ridge worker on atomic bomb fuse; wife on timer—didn't know each other's work (compartmentalization). UFO materials/bodies/craft given to 4-5 major contractors (missile defense, new metallurgy, propulsion)—disconnected from government, untouchable via FOIA. No originals from Roswell era alive. Best secret: tell someone who dies.
That's the best secret you can keep if you tell somebody and they die.
People provide addresses and urge visiting Area 51, but nothing is there. By the time an announcement is made, U-Haul vans would have already cleared out. It requires a scientist walking out of a lab before being silenced, like shooting themselves in the back of the head 10 times with a shotgun.
Joe Rogan asks if Tim Burchett knows the Bob Lazar story. Burchett confirms, hasn't met Bob, but a friend, George Knapp, broke the story. Burchett met Knapp through this work, grew up watching him, considers it an honor. Knapp is careful, documents everything, has extensive files, even-keeled, not hyperbolic, true journalist not selling t-shirts. Knapp was a regular journalist until Bob Lazar contacted him.
Rogan had Bob on a couple times; most viewed YouTube episode is Bob's with 66 million views. Bob talked about working at S4, Area 51 site 4, reverse-engineering UFOs. New documentary S4 uses CGI, models of craft, de-aging tech to recreate his 1988-1989 experience. Rogan and Jamie watched it with Bob and director Luigi; Bob got emotional, freaked out reliving it. Bob lives modestly with mid-80s Corvette, hasn't cashed in, runs United Nuclear Labs, brilliant, avoids attention, difficult to get back on podcast, drank whiskey, finds experience surreal.
Bob escaped and survived silencing attempts. They discredited him, claimed he didn't work there; he produced check stubs. Tried denying Los Alamos employment, but he was on roster. Went public with real name after break-ins, car break-ins, shot at on highway to protect himself. Hasn't deviated from story in ~40 years. Analysis in documentary suggests he's truthful.
Lazar adamant on details like craft color (green, not red as previously claimed). Liars in Congress forge narratives, lack understanding of truth, detected by intuition. Pathological liars lie about everything, not just one consistent story from 1989.
Lazar described craft movement; decades later footage shows crafts rotating toward travel direction then zooming off. Commander David Fravor's 2004 Tic Tac incident off San Diego: from 50,000 ft to sea level in under a second. If U.S. tech, no mainstream leaks in 22 years, energy could heat/cool homes, but war industry profits from suppression.
Fravor testified before Burchett's committee; Burchett impressed, knows him well. Burchett, Luna, others pushed for UAP committee; chairman agreed but staff dismissed, wanted Chinese balloon focus. Burchett insisted on UFOs due to public calls. Most attended hearing in 10-15 years, overflow room needed. People lined up from 4:30 AM, from across country on own dime, one called it their vacation. Met Sean Ryan there. Congress noticed voter interest.
Tic Tacs show no heat signature unlike Blackbird; video, radar footage confirm beyond current tech. Alternative energy would disrupt oil, Pentagon. Small group on cutting edge; assassinating lead scientist halts progress.
Woman hiking with friend; friend turns, she's gone. Dogs, cadaver dogs find no trace. Involved in metallurgy for craft materials.
Can't reveal tech yet due to lack of understanding, like 1947 Indian Chief motorcycle to Mayflower pilgrims: can't adjust valves, spark plugs, high-octane fuel. They have it but don't know what to do. Matches Bob Lazar's 1989 view: could turn on, not understand workings.
Visitors (astrophysicist) explained vibration shifting position instantly, proves God. Blobs surround aircraft, often near nukes. Nuclear plant incident: UFOs flew over, plant shut down, documented.
Bureaucrat with man bun denied data points despite Googleable incidents. Military officers angry at Biden appointee blocking testimony. Burchett reads people well. Disruptors sent to derail; witness dismantled them with specifics, left disgusted.
Not old blackmail like hooker photos; now family/wife/girlfriend jobs at contractor groups threaten exposure unless disrupt committees with partisan fights.
On Benny Johnson show, explained honeypot: trips abroad, bar seduction filmed, later leveraged pre-vote: motel room in Istanbul with redhead. Burchett avoids trips, only quick border visit. Caught heat from leadership for comments, but daily scandals prove point. Chinese prostitution ring busted targeting lobbyists, government employees, politicians; story vanished.
Lobbyist Tom Hensley (liquor, Jack Daniels) taught: governors come/go, lobbyists stay; needs one chairman, not whole body.
Congresspeople leave rich; Burchett's bill bans individual stocks, mandates mutual funds. Cashed out $11,000 portfolio. Fewer pro baseball players than Congress members. Pelosi #11 in trades, not top 10. New bill dislikes his/Mike Luna's ban.
Daughter (adopted, veterinarian-smart) wants to cut hair; supports her.
Members of Congress own mutual funds and portfolios worth $20 million while earning $170,000 a year. Imagine making $170,000 on average and suddenly $100 million in the stock market. Not all are crooked; some are geniuses. When Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden gave Ukraine our missile defense system, requiring replenishment. Members of Congress own stock in those missile defense systems and bought shares around that time. Can't prove it's crooked, but they know things that help them. Remove all reproach. With a $20 million portfolio, you'll vote to increase your investment value. Financial windfall makes people play ball—human nature. Guys have expenses, kids in school, house payments; $170,000 doesn't go far. Often spouses or a 16-year-old kid invest with inside information. Kevin Bass on Twitter posted a detailed examination of Ro Khanna's stock trades and profits. Inside information is rampant in Congress.
Tim Burchett sleeps on his couch in his office, showers in the gym—can't afford DC real estate. A newly elected colleague bragged about paying $1.2 million for a place; real estate prices are crazy. It's a rich man's game. Being around rich men makes you feel poor even if worth millions; you want to up your game in this investment culture. In a public transportation meeting on airport technology, Tim asked if the stock was publicly traded—everyone looked up, thinking to call their broker.
It's disgusting that it's been legal so long. They pass bills that die in the Senate or aren't taken up, then go home claiming they tried. Meanwhile, they're at Kennebunkport sipping expensive wine, toasting financial choices.
Age of Disclosure documentary features insiders on UFO experiences. Back-engineering programs with crashed vehicles and biological entities require funding, meaning lies to Congress—massive felonies like misappropriation of funds. Need mass amnesty. Tim is skeptical: using UFOs for amnesty on fraud, theft, offshore accounts. Offer obscure UAP info (hates the term; prefers UFOs—UAP is sanitized misdirection) for amnesty on decades of shady dealings. Maybe some is real, but trickle-truth forever while criminals escape.
Rep. Eric Burlison's whistleblower protection bill gets blocked or killed. For retrieved craft, bring to weapons manufacturers—others sue for lack of access. People lied under oath about existence or tech sources. Logical reasons for blocking disclosure. Suspects unexpected deaths/disappearances send messages.
Skeptics in Congress converted after hearings. Burlison was skeptic, now biggest advocate for total release. Works with Tim, Luna, Jared Moskowitz, Democrats. First committee meeting had huge impact. Tim told witnesses: people believe you; ask questions of government. Too many credible stories from Ryan Graves, Cmdr. David Fravor—why would they lie?
State legislature buddy saw Tim on Ancient Aliens (shoutout Giorgio Tsoukalos). In late 1950s/early 1960s Navy, arming sub with nukes on deck. Huge saucer (two blocks long), classic shape, lights from portals, silent hover, then straight up. Men in black (CIA spooks) threatened Leavenworth for national security. After Tim's story broke, got daily calls/pics. Air Force officer saw identical craft (off-gray, dome, portholes, size) near Florida base in late 1970s/early 1980s—jets couldn't keep up. Identical descriptions from unrelated people means something. Pilots/engineers risk careers/reputations; not rich, can't retire.
UFOs appear over bases, carriers, nuclear subs—monitoring most capable species. Sightings ramped up post-WWII after atomic bombs (Kenneth Arnold coined 'flying saucers' in Washington State, 1947). Hover over nuclear sites, shut down equipment. Smart: show presence over isolated sub without mass panic.
At intelligence committee UFO hearing, Tim was only non-committee member present. Overseers (white guy, black guy) knew nothing—compartmentalization. They can pass lie detectors honestly. Narrow view to protect careers/pensions.
Why disclosure now? Distraction from poorly going Iran war, public upset. Trump wants it out; America needs/wants to know. Last term, legacy move.
Tried to kill Trump three times. Judge apologized to White House correspondents' dinner shooter (shot Secret Service agent in vest) for jail treatment: solitary, suicide watch, illuminated cell, no items/visits despite no risk. Judge Zia Faruqui expressed grave concerns, said it could drive someone crazy. Same judge released man threatening to kill Trump. Trump derangement syndrome. Guy programmed—MKUltra type.
No, I don't want to get you bumped off. The CIA was grabbing people, giving them acid or LSD, programming them. They denied it, got sued, admitted they lied and were doing it but claimed they're not anymore. Which time are they not doing it? Today, people are open to suggestion; they pour it in. They release info knowing it will provoke reactions. Some dismiss it, others fume and stay awake at night. They target those who react strongly. How many like Thomas Crooks have no internet access or history? Total BS that he had none. They let him on the roof, claimed snipers couldn't go up because the slope was too steep. Members of Congress older than Tim Burchett, like Daryl Issa, were walking on it. Bogus excuse. They put Trump in a bad position. Dead men tell no tales.
People claim the first Trump assassination was a setup or hoax for sympathy. Anyone saying that knows nothing about guns. Shooter was 120-140 meters (135-150 yards) away on AGR International building with clear line of sight—a tremendous security failure. No drones scanning potential lines of sight. Eli Crane, SEAL sniper, said he could make that shot. Tim Burchett's brother-in-law Cliff, Marine sniper, said he could do it with iron sights. Shooter had steel sights initially, but rifle had optics attached: AEMS optics, red dot sight (not magnified, like pistol optics), modified with collapsible stock. People pointed at him on the roof. Complete breakdown, capitulation. Washington DC is a swamp.
Shooter Preparation
Seen walking with something long, carrying rangefinder (not playing golf). Put up a drone earlier. Rangefinder only for golf, archery, or shooting. Hearing planned on CIA activities today.
CIA could do it in 1960s, certainly today. Book Chaos by Tom O'Neill details Manson family, Jolly West, MKUltra. West visited Jack Ruby after shooting Oswald; Ruby had psychotic breakdown, raving about Jews on fire—sane before. West dosed unknowing people with LSD. Operation Midnight Climax: CIA ran brothels with two-way mirrors; prostitutes dosed Johns with LSD-laced alcohol, monitored them to develop manipulation techniques. Manson killings (Tate-LaBianca) turned public against hippies, shifted narrative from peace/love to psychotic killers, pushed drug bans. Exposed via Freedom of Information Act; documents found in storage. Most stuff disappears; this is tip of iceberg. They got sloppy. Idea they stopped doesn't track with human nature or government.
Voluntary psychiatric meds alter people. Using bots, AI, algorithms to radicalize without formal MKUltra. Trump threatens their machine. No one will come forward; everyone involved gone. No toxicology on Thomas Crooks. Cremated quickly. Place professionally scrubbed: no silverware, no computers, no social media/internet footprint. Metadata tracks phones from Virginia (near FBI area) to his home multiple times. Parents allegedly counselors. All weird, no answers.
Like Kennedy assassination—books 30-40 years later. Committee heard ER doctor with poster showing bullets from two directions, not ricochet. Blockbuster, no press. Magic bullet theory absurd. Gun was Mannlicher-Carcano carbine (7.62 Italian, "only gun that never won a war"). Could buy M1 with scope at Western Auto for better shot. Whole thing screwy; guns shown don't match. Book Best Evidence by David Lifton (accountant reviewing Warren Commission) details inconsistencies. Witnesses died suspiciously: car accidents, suicides, murders, robberies. Odds too strange. Loose ends cleaned up quick. No internet back then.
Nobody talks about Trump shooting except calling it fake (ear healed itself). Ear clearly bleeding. Impossible to nick ear precisely at 140 yards with red dot—could hit center mass or head prone, but not nick ear on purpose. Fireman died behind him. Trump derangement from media programming. Average people too busy with jobs/families, swallow Russia collusion hoax, see Trump as Russian agent. Young folks asking questions now (e.g., Tim's wife's son Tyler). Charlie Kirk effect, internet, independent journalists uncovering truth. Mainstream diminishing; COVID handling, Fauci sunk them.
Fauci likely walks despite perjury talk. Big chains open, small businesses/churches closed; people lined up like Pavlov's dogs. Hospital set up morgues anticipating deaths. Greatest wealth transfer; Congress enabled without questions. Current cruise ship hantavirus, ticks (linked to Gates, meat). Farmers finding boxes of ticks (possibly sterile to diminish population). No right to drop ticks on property. Lone Star tick causes alpha-gal: allergic to red meat. Tim's friend affected; another treated but relapsed, eats only eggs/veggies.
Messing with nature (mosquitoes). Fauci's beagle experiments evil; tortured, euthanized. Labs can do without cruelty now, no need for beagles. Fauci lied about transmission, preventing infection. Cheered in meetings despite bad vibes. Involved in AIDS, blocked alternatives (Dallas Buyers Club). RFK Jr., Trump advancing trials for rare diseases, cancer.
Big Pharma, big ag, big energy run the table. No Iran oil despite exporting; prices through roof. Processed gas jumps overnight (20 cents/gallon), unlike hardware store oil. Diesel (first cut after kerosene) over $100 fill-up, cheapest/roughest yet pricier. Oil companies shake money tree both aisles. Bush-Obama transition: prices jacked as payoff with oil man in White House.
Tim makes skateboards (cheaper than psychiatrist). Puts ketchup on medium-rare steak. Made one for Tulsi Gabbard (from Hawaii, Trump first...)
Tim Burchett made a Bigfoot skateboard out of bamboo, oak, and banana fibers from the banana plant for his daughter Tulsy. He added his sticker, and Pluto Sports—friends from high school—put on the wheels and trucks. Tulsy called him out during Trump's first State of the Union, asking where her birthday skateboard was with cameras rolling. The photo went viral, with people worldwide asking, "Where can I get a Burchett board?"
Burchett consulted the ethics attorney, who said he couldn't sell it branded as a Burchett board. He suggested his wife own the company, but rules prohibit him working there. He pointed out hypocrisy: "You're telling me I can do insider stock trading, but I can't sell a dad gum skateboard." Everyone in Congress has side hustles. He has 35 skateboards in his barn.
Skateboard Construction Process
Burchett makes them by hand using bamboo cut from behind the synagogue on Kingston Pike, oak pallets, and banana fibers. He laminates with fiberglass (trying to avoid carcinogens), uses Titebond 3 glue (waterproof, water-based), sands them down. As mayor of Knox County, steel laborers built him a massive skateboard press—three burly union metal workers loaded it into his pickup. He uses clamps to press them.
His wife says, "I'm sure they laughed at the guy that created the pool noodle"—a 12-cent piece of foam sold to Walmart for $6. He's meeting with attorneys and the ethics committee chairman (came to Congress together) to work it out. One sold at auction for $5,200; another friend paid $5,200. Friends in Clayburn County got him to make three. People hang them on walls for cruising sidewalks, not Olympics-level.
"You sell your soul, but I can't sell a skateboard."
A source called Legend (Afghani dual citizen who fought for US, uses alias) told Burchett the Taliban gets $40 million a week. Introduced via Sean Ryan podcast with Eli Crane (Navy SEAL in Congress). Legend connected him to Afghanistan's last democratically elected president. Staffer John Stout (loyal, parents survived tragic car accident) devised monitoring.
Taliban-owned banks take cuts on all ingress/egress (10%+ tithe). State Department memo (classified then unclassified): Biden admin gave $5 billion. Over 1,000 NGOs and UN operate from Afghanistan. Elon Musk explained NGOs start good (Bush era, limousine liberals, do-gooders feeding starving children), get billionaire seed money, then federal tax dollars flow—stole over $1 trillion. Minneapolis fraud: $19 billion (more than Tennessee's state budget then).
Bill to Track Funds
Burchett passed bill twice (stronger version via John Stout), sent to Senate. Senate staffer (unofficial Afghanistan ambassador) complimented Taliban. Democrats resisted in committee. Funds wash back as dark money for campaigns (e.g., attack ads: "Tim Burchett pushed his second-grade girlfriend down in a mud puddle"). Both parties involved, Democrats dominate. UN gets US money, talks badly about America—Burchett wants to pull out.
Bill requires reports on cash assistance programs in Afghanistan, preventing Taliban access, Afghan fund, Afghanistan central bank. They deny it happens: "If it's not happening, pass the bill."
"They'll hate us for free. We don't need to give them any money."
UN purchased/transported $2.9 billion US currency to Afghanistan (2024 report), 80 purchases of $40 million cash (pallets of $100 bills)—no record, due to no wire transfers/domestic currency. Starving kids/orphans ignored; gays thrown off buildings, girls' eyes poked out, pedophilia rampant.
"Call your senator and say, 'I want this damn bill on the floor.'"
US left billions in armaments; Chinese on ground pre-withdrawal could fly high-end choppers.
Burchett's dad (Marine, Peleliu/Okinawa under Chesty Puller) scarred by horrors: Japanese raping Korean island girls, blowing caves, close kills—wouldn't return to Okinawa. Loved Corsairs (dove 400+ mph, "Lucky Strike" on Japanese).
Dad (UT dean) made friend park Japanese Acura on street. Once cleared neighbor's house at 70 with Browning High Power (wife warned: "Don't shoot my husband. He's in a blue powder leisure suit."). Real Christians: picked up stranded folks/interstate/UT students for Waffle House breakfast supper—mama stretched food.
Mother flew planes in WWII (colorized photo: country girl, foot up on biplane, Nashville dirt strip). Brother Roy (33) killed in hedge rows. Soloed in half the time (math error; she was math teacher). Burchett told Kid Rock: "I was raised by the American badasses."
Daughter photo mirrored mom's pose at air show biplane (National Women's Aviators Day).
Eli Crane (beautiful human, Marcus Luttrell's brother Morgan on Burchett's baseball team). At practice (rough area, post-Scalise shooting security), heard pops—Morgan removed hat: "Bet—",
Morgan took his hat off and said that was gunfire. Tim trusted Morgan over someone who never fired a shot in anger. He loves those guys and hurts for them. He used to hurt for his daddy, who fought communists in China after the war before leaving the Marine Corps. His daddy was visibly upset about turning China over to communists and would walk away. We rush to end wars without dealing with repercussions. Warriors need healing, and it's frustrating.
Kudos to Trump for passing the psychedelics bill. Tim loves it and talked to members about it. One confided he'd been in the mess. Tim shared his daddy had anger issues but never beat mama or him. Joe agrees: how could you not after seeing horrible things and expect them to just go to the grocery store or sit in traffic normally.
Childhood Memory at UT Football Game
At a UT football game on the 50-yard line in the 1960s, they brought cowbells (last game allowed). A drunk guy behind them took the Lord's name in vain. Daddy said they had ladies there (sister 7-8, mama). Guy spilled drink on dad; mama rushed kids out. Tim wondered what daddy was doing. UT cops loved daddy (dean of student conduct, backed them). Cops came; dad beat three guys' asses on 50-yard line at Neyland Stadium. Tim would have given high fives—he was incredible.
Guys been to war come back changed, like thousands of buddies. They gathered, talked. No drinking in house; Tim had beer can collection. In 1980s, pre-college, Red Welch drank beer at dinner table. Tim asked daddy; he said if pinned down on island, one guy runs for you, he can do whatever in your house—that was Red. Found old picture of Red and daddy in China. Daddy had great life; buried with mom at Veterans Cemetery in Knoxville. At 61, Tim cries like baby visiting, thinking of sacrifice. At Capitol, sees people throw it away—unforgivable.
Happy some with horrible experiences have pathway to relief. Thank Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard for explaining; helped people like friend Marcus Luttrell. Joe used microphone for good; people said it wouldn't happen without him. Joe never asked for anything until then to make world better. Fact these were made illegal ridiculous; should have studied how they help. Epidemic of antidepressants.
Tim Walz's daughter posted on social media: on them 15 years, realizing problem; devastating to get off. Friend Theo Von: roof falls off trying to quit; has to rein him in. Friends took lives—horrible, wondering what could have done.
Tim's oldest friend Scott Davis from Little Red Schoolhouse; brother took life from depression in 1980s—we didn't understand. Yesterday, Ben Testerman (pro tennis player) talked to Jeff: feels in hole, nobody gets it. People say "get over it, go jog"—chemical imbalance, something jarred them. If one avenue helps, great. Big Pharma blocks like hemp—why not grow it?
Drives crazy; no consistency when legal stuff kills. Lose many yearly. Friends in alcohol business, but personal responsibility: your business unless break law. Joe not big drinker but should be allowed; same for cigarettes—believe in freedom, be consistent. Psychedelics help depression, opioid addiction, PTSD, CTE—known for decades. Only Trump had courage for executive order despite being enemy #1.
Will change veterans', first responders', police, violent crime victims', abused women's lives. Controlled, not zombies. Ibogaine not recreational—terrible experience but come out better. Rick Perry (70s): brain atrophy dropped 25% after, gone in 6 months. Fixes elderly memory loss—one 12-hour experience, no addiction risk. Money/control blocks it. Be human; only so much time—make world better, say no to personal gain at heroes' expense. When's enough enough?
Same with disclosure: no right to keep real things from humanity regardless of title or three-letter org. Obligation to alert. People dying with info changing human history—crime. Imagine poor countries, deserts: cool huts, end worthless oil wars in stroke of pen.
Tim goes back/forth—crazy, cost votes before. Look at deep water areas. Hard to believe light years travel in suspended state. Five gentlemen at house talked moon around Saturn/Jupiter for testing—larger than Earth. Joe: no moons larger than Earth/our planet. Tim: maybe wrong, check. Quantum physics; admiral made wonder deep ocean (know more moon surface than ocean floor). Logically, 75% Earth coverage, perfect hide/monitor spot. Humans split atom, nukes—monitor to prevent blowing up before enlightenment, bypassing primate wars.
Humans better than 1000/3000 years ago, advancing but could screw up. One maniac in Iran: stopped nuclear, out for Armageddon, capabilities to England/Israel. North Korea: nuke cloud over China. Many nuke countries—nuts relying on maniacs. Super advanced base in ocean: quick exit.
Orbs new word, not saucers. Weird: people summon them. Friend's wife experienced, wants Joe to try. Careful sex cult. She's comedian, married to friend 20 years, kids—not that.
Cults turn sex cults—power. Almost bought Austin building owned by cult: original Comedy Mothership at One World Theater. Ron White told; built for leader. Disbanded; doc Holy Hell. Leader: gay porn star, hypnotist, yoga teacher—started yoga, slept with ladies. Joe took culty yoga classes; one instructor slept with ladies, full of self, sang stupid songs—gross, fell apart, ran for Congress.
Demonic with Christians: calling down abused UFO belief for cults. Not aliens—people abusing. Heard all; not on air, avoid lawsuits.
Admiral: no capabilities that deep; sightings in 4/5 deep water areas worldwide. Told what briefed; Matt Gaetz briefed in uniform: breeding/capturing people with aliens (war zones, migrant caravans) for hybrids, intergalactic communication. 6-12 US facilities; wanted congressional visits. Gaetz didn't verify—how? Talk to hybrids?
Pastor's thing bonkers. Allan Daido after pastors meeting: UFO/UAP disclosure coming; prepare people, silence not option. What prepare for? Never heard group; if Franklin Graham. Daido has show, Revival Nation Church? Bio: equipping end time believers for next great awakening. Warn end times claimants—Bible says even angels don't know.
Suspicious of end times; LA billboards specific dates (e.g., May 21, 2011 Judgment Day, Bible guarantees—didn't read that).
When told things, much top secret until disclosure. Anything really disturbs
Tim Burchett describes a meeting where groups discussed treatment of people by supposed extraterrestrials, their capabilities, and creepy stuff. He brings this out but gets pushback.
Burchett thinks it's a cover-up with something else out there; humans are not the best God can do. Groups described several different types of beings: three, four, five—it changes. He doesn't get caught up in details. His argument to colleagues: focus on what we're spending tens of millions of dollars on if they say these things don't exist. Not about little green men or flying saucers—just accountability.
If they exist, he believes there's a cover-up by a small group who know; many charlatans sell memberships claiming knowledge without proof. Suspicious of definitive claims without evidence like pictures.
Burchett has seen pictures, video, and the most convincing: guys coming out of a house (pre-hearings), clear as a screen, pre-AI, matching tic-tac videos. Unusual: had to have a heat signature but didn't—zero point energy, quantum physics angle mindblowing.
No knowledge of what's to be released (Wednesday); he'll know tomorrow at 3 p.m., but expects little info for him or America. If disclosed to Congress, it'll leak immediately. Feels obligation to tell people if not released, hates being lied to. Doesn't think Trump knows; kept secret.
In a meeting, federal employee said president is on need-to-know basis—they have info president can't see. Shocking, like sci-fi. Compares to MK Ultra: won't get everything, maybe not half.
President's on a need to know basis.
Expects something will be disclosed.
Joe Rogan references Howie Putoff (in Age of Disclosure documentary and podcast guest): During Bush administration, brought in scientists and thought leaders. Explained considering disclosure of visits by super-intelligent beings, retrieved crashed vehicles, biological remains. Asked for lists of societal impacts (negative/positive with numerical values). All said negatives outweigh positives on government, economy, religion, society—decided not to disclose.
Burchett heard this many times but doesn't buy it; people in that movie/film (he's met them). Thinks public should know and decide. Wonders if truthful or thought experiment.
Allegedly, told Jimmy Carter something that made him cry (sensitive guy). Carter saw UFO, possibly on nuclear sub. In a meeting, someone gave exact date of Carter's briefing—check Carter Library; lists meeting but omits one person's name.
Nixon took Jackie Gleason (golfing/drinking) to see UFO on a base; profoundly affected Gleason, who became obsessed and built UFO-shaped house in upstate New York (for sale recently). Nixon serious; story vague but weird coincidence.
Both wish everything shown. We'll see what comes out this week.
Burchett invites Rogan to East Tennessee; references Davy Crockett saving Texas, Crockett quote after election loss:
As for you all, you can all go to hell. As for me, I'm going to Texas.
Crockett died at Alamo, parlayed into Disney special. Rogan loves Texas: low taxes, people, fun place.
Congress members like Chip Roy, LaTrell (leaving for family) tired of Washington D.C. pressure—odd, filthy institutional smell like prison. Appreciates Rogan for veterans, disclosure, hot issues. Mentions Hecklefish (show said his name wrong—Yankee).
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