Joe Rogan Experience #2502 - David Paulides
In a Nutshell
David Paulides claims that thousands of people have vanished from national parks under identical anomalous patterns—dogs lose scent immediately, no tracks appear despite professional tracking, and bodies later materialize in areas already searched multiple times. He links these disappearances to UFO abductions, describing cases where witnesses report time distortion, telepathic contact with non-human entities, frozen animals, and medical procedures aboard craft, with many abductees returning amnesiac or cured of prior conditions. Paulides extends the pattern to Bigfoot, arguing DNA evidence shows a human hybrid species that may operate interdimensionally, explaining the absence of bodies and the consistent reports of beings appearing and vanishing.
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Joe Rogan welcomes David Paulides to the show. Rogan first learned about Paulides' work through Art Bell's Coast to Coast radio program. Paulides has a background in law enforcement and has authored multiple books.
Paulides was conducting research at Yosemite National Park when two rangers began following him. Approximately an hour and a half later, one ranger approached him off-duty at his room and initiated a conversation about missing people. The ranger knew Paulides had law enforcement experience and suggested someone should investigate these cases.
The ranger and his partner had worked at various national parks and observed a consistent pattern: after people went missing, there would be significant initial publicity and search activity, but within approximately 10 to 15 days, all attention would cease. The rangers filed Freedom of Information Act requests on their own agency and other cases but were unable to obtain the reports. They expressed concern that after the initial search period ends, nothing further happens.
Paulides believes the rangers suspected multiple issues: too many people going missing, insufficient follow-up investigations, and a general lack of concern from authorities. While a pragmatic view might attribute this to limited resources and the difficulty of searching vast wilderness areas where predators and animals consume remains, the rangers' primary focus was that too many disappearances occurred in short periods with no apparent follow-up.
Through his work with rangers, Paulides learned that certain personal items tend to remain in the wilderness even when bodies are consumed: shoes, belt buckles, leather items, the rubber waistband of underwear, rifles, pistols, and bows. These items are typically recoverable.
Paulides discusses cases that go beyond typical explanations of people dying and being consumed by animals. One notable case involved a Canadian firefighter from Toronto who went missing during a weekend ski trip in New York with friends. He was found days later in Sacramento, California, sitting in the front seat of a truck traveling from Reno, wearing his ski clothes. He had no memory of how he got there and did not ask the driver where he was picked up, reportedly due to embarrassment.
Paulides states that many missing people have no memory of events. Historically, people who experience memory loss in connection with disappearances have been abducted. He suggests that some type of entity or foreign presence removes part of the person's memory regarding what happened to them.
Paulides has documented approximately 1,500 cases where canines were deployed in searches but failed to locate missing persons. One case involved a truck driver in the Midwest who was transporting a load of pigs. His truck was found stopped on a two-lane highway outside Indiana with his coat in a ditch across the road. After a five-day search with no results, his body was discovered a week and a half later in the exact field that had been searched. The coroner determined he had been dead for two weeks.
Paulides emphasizes that searchers are not inept and canines do not repeatedly fail. He argues that when dogs cannot track, it indicates the person was not present during the search and was placed there later. He has documented 1,200 to 1,500 cases where professional canines either could not track, would not track, or lost interest and sat down—behavior Paulides describes as completely outside normal canine behavior.
The first case that made Paulides suspect something unusual was occurring involved a 14-year-old girl named Stacy Eris at Yosemite National Park. She grew up in Saratoga, California, approximately five miles from Paulides' hometown of Cupertino. She was on a horseback trip to the High Sierra Camp with her father and five others when she walked down to a small lake to take photographs and never returned. The lens cap from her camera was found along the path, but she was never located. This disappearance occurred 46 years ago.
Paulides filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the Stacy Eris investigation report and was denied. He appealed and was denied again. A National Park Service special agent contacted him and refused to release the report, stating Paulides would never receive it. The agent claimed Paulides had never seen any other missing person case and would not see this one. Paulides countered that he had received over 30 missing person cases from the agency previously.
Paulides spoke with Congressman Tim Burchett about arranging a meeting with Doug Burgum, head of the Department of the Interior, to present his findings and explain the obstructions he has encountered. Burchett's staff contacted the Department of the Interior, which indicated they would follow up, but Paulides' three subsequent calls went unanswered.
Paulides states there are approximately 50 people currently missing from Yosemite National Park. When he requested a list of missing persons from Yosemite and the entire Department of the Interior system 12 years ago, officials claimed they did not have such a list. He requested they compile one, but was told it would cost $1.4 million for the entire system or $34,000 for Yosemite alone.
After Paulides compiled his own list over two years and published books on the topic, Yosemite released a list of missing persons. The Department of the Interior has still not released a comprehensive list for the entire national park system.
Paulides discovered a 2011 FOIA response on the Department of the Interior's website citing Exemption 7A, which permits withholding of law enforcement records if their production could interfere with enforcement proceedings. The response stated the incident remained an ongoing criminal investigation despite being 30 to 40 years old. Paulides notes that missing person cases are not classified as criminal investigations unless suspicious circumstances are present.
Paulides references his experience on a SWAT team with assigned canines and states he cannot recall a single instance where a dog failed to find a person. He contrasts this with the hundreds of cases he has documented where canines fail to track missing persons in wilderness settings.
Paulides discusses a recent case involving a woman named Reza who was part of a group of scientists involved in propulsion research. While hiking with a friend, she disappeared instantly after her friend turned around to ask her a question. Search dogs were unable to locate any trace of her.
Paulides identifies several consistent patterns in the cases he has studied. In hunter disappearances, the incident always occurs at the point of separation when individuals are alone rather than together. Professional trackers and native trackers in Alaska are often unable to find tracks or scent when every other time they succeed. Paulides argues that if someone is moving from point A to point B, they should leave both scent and tracks.
In his documentary Missing 411: The Hunted, Paulides presents a case involving 12 men planting trees on a mountainside in Washington State. They witnessed a classic UFO hover over one elk from a herd. The elk was lifted without visible connection to the craft and disappeared. The men contacted MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) investigators who interviewed each person separately, and all accounts were consistent.
Paulides describes the case of Carl, a hunter in Medicine Bow National Forest in Wyoming. While aiming at an elk approximately 100 yards away, Carl experienced time distortion as he watched his bullet travel three to four feet before dropping to the ground. Two alien-type entities approached him, engaged in mind speak, and took him aboard a craft where the elk appeared frozen in time. He was told he was not wanted and would be sent back. Carl fell 10 to 15 feet, dislocating his shoulder. Medical examination revealed his childhood tuberculosis scars had disappeared and other medical issues were cured. The Wyoming Department of Law Enforcement examined the deformed bullet and could not determine what it had struck.
Carl was 38 or 39 years old when the encounter occurred and was 91 when interviewed by Paulides. He speculated he was returned because he had a vasectomy. The incident occurred in Medicine Bow National Forest, approximately 75 miles northwest of Cheyenne, Wyoming.
At the same time as Carl's encounter, the Air Force base in Cheyenne was experiencing cluster UFO sightings above ICBM sites, though this information was not made public until 30 to 40 years later through investigators including Robert Hastings.
Paulides conducted a circumference search around Carl's encounter area and discovered a pattern of German hunters disappearing in that specific location, with no other nationalities reported missing in the same area.
Paulides discovered that Germans have been abducted at higher rates than other populations. German hunters were the initial clue that something unusual was occurring. Speculation includes rumors of German associations with aliens, particularly during Nazi times when there was significant occult activity. Nazis were constructing devices that resembled flying saucers.
Paulides knows Travis Walton personally and has his bobblehead. Walton went missing in the woods with multiple witnesses, including one he had fought with earlier that day. All witnesses told the same story and passed polygraph tests. Walton appeared days later unharmed after being taken aboard a craft, fixed after being hit by a beam of light, and communicated with before being returned.
Walton's son attended a conference specifically to meet Paulides because the research focused on similar events. Paulides believes Walton's case is not unique and that thousands of people have similar experiences but choose not to discuss them because the events feel too strange and make them appear foolish.
People who lie typically lie about many things rather than maintaining one consistent story across decades with multiple witnesses. Walton's case is notable because he went missing in the woods and returned multiple days later in good condition without dehydration or starvation.
Abductees report remarkably similar experiences involving medical examinations, being taken aboard craft, and telepathic communication. These accounts lack delusions of grandeur or claims of being chosen. Instead, they describe entities studying the human species the way humans study animals, primates, and other species in research settings.
Paulides presented a bullet that completely flattened after hitting something immovable in front of the shooter, appearing intact rather than distorted like a bullet hitting bone or animal tissue.
Carl Higdon reported being taken aboard a craft where entities confirmed they had his elk. They stated they frequently come to Earth to study animals and happened to take him because he was present during their activity. Higdon was told the entities monitor planetary health through animal testing.
Higdon was communicated with telepathically. More hunters disappear while hunting elk than any other animal, despite more people hunting deer overall. Elk hunting typically occurs in remote backcountry mountain areas with few people, whereas whitetail deer hunting often takes place near farmland and human populations.
Carl Higdon reported that the entities have the ability to freeze time and space. The elk he was observing appeared frozen in position and remained that way while he was aboard the craft. This creates an isolated bubble where people cannot enter or exit the affected area.
Advanced species may manipulate spacetime itself rather than using conventional propulsion systems. This would allow instantaneous travel between locations. Theoretical concepts include quantum entanglement enabling travel across vast distances without violating physical constraints.
Paulides discussed consciousness entanglement with Colum Kellaher, former head of investigations for Bigelow at Skinwalker Ranch. Kellaher suggested that abductions, cattle mutilations, and UFO phenomena may involve aspects of reality too complex for current human comprehension.
Kellaher described an incident at the ranch involving a physicist and researcher observing a bright light that expanded into a three-dimensional tube-like portal approximately large enough for a person to crawl through. A bipedal, eight-foot-tall black entity emerged from the portal and walked away on two feet.
Native Americans have numerous names for a single creature universally described as a bipedal, hairy, ape-like being eight to ten feet tall. There are over a hundred different indigenous names for this one entity. Sightings consistently describe bipedal hominids rather than varied animals.
Paulides noted that compelling photographic evidence is scarce, with the Patterson footage appearing to be a person in a suit. However, the volume of consistent eyewitness accounts across different locations makes complete dismissal difficult. Many sightings occur in remote forest areas under conditions of heightened awareness.
Gigantopithecus fossils consist only of jaws and teeth, with no postcranial evidence available. Scientific consensus holds that it was a quadrupedal ape, though some Bigfoot enthusiasts speculate it could be related to Sasquatch.
The fossil record is extremely incomplete, with most organisms never becoming fossils. Paulides argued that a bipedal hominid species could have existed without leaving physical evidence. Early human ancestors were hairy and some were larger than modern humans.
Bigfoot sightings occur frequently in East Texas in mushy, swampy, wet terrain near the border. Significant sightings also occur in Tennessee and Kentucky. Paulides worked in technology and human resources after his police career before being approached by two wealthy company founders who independently had Bigfoot encounters as young men.
The founders hired Paulides to investigate whether Bigfoot was real, false, or a hoax, offering to cover all expenses. After initial reluctance, Paulides accepted following personal circumstances that freed up his schedule. He was taken by researcher Scott Carpenter to an area in Great Smoky Mountain National Park with reported evidence including footprints and hair.
Researchers placed packaging tape inside out on trees with food bait at the fork to collect hair samples with follicles for DNA testing. After successful collection in an area with confirmed tracks, the samples were submitted to a hair and fiber expert. The expert stated they had never seen that hair before, that it was not classified, and that it did not exist in known databases.
The samples were then sent to Dr. Melba Ketchum, a DNA expert who had testified in Texas courts. She first confirmed with her hair and fiber expert that the hair was unknown. Ketchum requested additional samples, which were gathered after a public appeal on Coast to Coast. Out of submissions, 125 valid samples were accepted that were confirmed not to be deer, antelope, bear, or other known animals.
Mitochondrial DNA analysis traced the maternal side to the Middle East approximately 12 to 15,000 years ago. The paternal or fraternal side produced nuclear DNA sequences that did not exist in GenBank. The analysis covered 352 billion base pairs that had no match in existing databases.
Similar patterns of missing fraternal DNA have been reported in studies of elongated skulls by researchers including L.A. Marzulli and Ron Morhead in South America. Ketchum's paper claimed 111 samples from 34 North American sites showed human mitochondrial DNA combined with novel nuclear sequences. Her interpretation suggested an unknown hominin male population interbred with modern human females around 15,000 years ago, creating a hybrid lineage.
The study was published in Denovo Scientific Journal, an outlet effectively controlled by Ketchum, rather than a standard peer-reviewed journal. Critics pointed to lack of transparent peer review, paywall access, and absence of independent replication. Geneticists suggested contamination or poor lab practices as explanations for the hybrid sequences, noting that 100% modern human mitochondrial DNA would be expected from contaminated samples.
No major genetics lab has replicated the novel hominin genome findings. Mainstream science classifies the work as flawed and unaccepted as evidence for Sasquatch.
Paulides argued that contamination claims are inconsistent because any human contamination would show specific paternal lineage markers, such as Russian ancestry from his father, rather than producing no match at all. Dr. Ketchum submitted samples to four certified labs, including the University of Texas, all of which produced the same results.
Wally Hersom, benefactor of the BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization), reviewed the DNA results, met with Dr. Ketchum, and withdrew all funding, stating the work had proven what the creature is.
Forty years ago, Russia assigned its top five scientists from the science academy to study Almasti, the Russian equivalent of Bigfoot. Two scientists later confirmed to Paulides that their findings matched his DNA conclusions: the creature is a human hybrid rather than an ape or gorilla. Russian researchers maintain that the beings currently exist.
The absence of bodies or bones despite widespread sightings suggests the creature may be the result of advanced DNA manipulation by a species far beyond human capabilities. Paulides proposes the beings may be interdimensional, capable of moving in and out of our reality similar to reported phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch, including a tube-like portal. Footage from Scott Carpenter's film American Sasquatch appears to show a Bigfoot-like figure evaporating into nothingness after manifesting from a smoky form.
Footprints exhibit dermal ridges comparable to fingerprints, which are extremely difficult to fake convincingly. Many tracks show extreme depth consistent with weights estimated at 700 pounds or more, far exceeding typical human pressure on the ground. These prints have been documented for decades.
The lack of clear trail camera photographs may result from the creatures detecting infrared or possessing cognitive abilities that allow them to avoid or understand cameras. Researchers studying Bigfoot frequently report a "hitchhiker effect" where phenomena follow them home, including unusual activity around family members, similar to reports from Skinwalker Ranch investigators.
One researcher described finding a single 17-inch track in the middle of a muddy trail with no other tracks present. Multiple researchers interviewed for the film American Sasquatch reported identical isolated track experiences.
A former Navajo Ranger and his partner were reassigned to investigate Bigfoot and UFO reports full time due to their credibility and the volume of calls. They documented tracks showing a straight-line stride of four to five feet with extreme depth indicating hundreds of pounds of weight. Bigfoot tracks consistently show one foot placed directly in front of the other rather than a staggered human gait.
No Native American tribe regards Bigfoot as an animal. All view it as a human offshoot that originated from the stars. Multiple tribes maintain they have traded with these beings, receiving ornaments and foods in exchange for other goods.
In the 1920s and 1930s, three Pacific Northwest tribes held a press conference, reported on the front page of The Oregonian, stating that the hairy beings were a tribe of people with whom they had traded. A separate 1885 newspaper account described a cattle owner witnessing a Native American feeding beings that emerged from a bright moon-like object that descended from the sky near Crescent City on the Oregon-California border.
Native Americans describe these encounters as involving friendly beings that have interacted with tribes for generations.
People in China's Yunan province report strikingly consistent hallucinations after eating a specific mushroom. Patients describe pint-sized elf-like figures marching under doors, crawling up wells, and clinging to furniture. The hospital treats hundreds of these cases annually. The culprit is a mushroom known locally as Lao looo a asiatica, which forms symbiotic relationships with pine trees and is sold in markets and served in restaurants during peak season between June and August. The mushroom must be cooked thoroughly to avoid hallucinations.
Outside of Yunan and a few other locations, the species remains largely unknown to science. Mycologist Juliana Fi, founder of the Fungi Federation, notes that many people have searched for the mushroom without success. Researcher Dom Nauer is investigating the unknown compound responsible for the unusually similar hallucinations and what it might reveal about the human brain.
Many indigenous nations have specific names for little people, dwarves, or forest people. The Cherokee refer to them as Yuni Sunundai. The Chakawa have a term for little people and another for forest-dwelling beings called Kawi Anuasha. The Chickasaw also have names for small supernatural beings. Numerous accounts describe little people who provide corn and medicinal plants.
Many people who consume mushrooms report seeing tiny people or elves. This connects to the Santa Claus mystery. Old Christmas artwork from the turn of the century frequently depicts Amanita muscaria mushrooms alongside elves. The mushroom itself is bright red with white spots, matching the traditional Santa Claus color scheme.
The question arises whether psychedelic compounds cause hallucinations or open perception to things that exist constantly. Many people report seeing Bigfoot after taking mushrooms in the woods. Psychedelics dissolve the ego and shift consciousness, potentially allowing perception of entities that are always present.
The Bigfoot phenomenon is difficult to dismiss because too many people report the same experience. The absence of physical evidence such as bodies suggests these beings may not exist in the same way as known animals. Some propose they come from elsewhere or exist in a different dimensional state that cannot be quantified through conventional means.
Some individuals believe reality is a simulation where entities can be introduced into the game. The material world itself shows bizarre properties at the subatomic level. Most of an atom is empty space, particles can appear and disappear, and subatomic particles can exist in superposition. The observer effect demonstrates that paying attention to particles changes their behavior.
Research suggests the observer effect may influence particles in the past. This raises questions about how far back consciousness can affect reality and whether everything is malleable and dependent upon consciousness. The nature of consciousness itself remains unclear. It may function as a receiver tuning into a broader field rather than being limited to activity within the brain.
A friend recommended ayahuasca, describing it as opening the mind to real things that are otherwise inaccessible. The speaker has not tried ayahuasca but has experience with the orally active form of DMT. The experiences were consistently positive and felt more real than everyday reality. Communication occurred with entities appearing as living geometric patterns and jesters who communicated that the experiencer takes himself too seriously.
DMT should be approached with caution. People with psychiatric conditions or unstable grips on reality are advised against it. For those who are reasonably stable and can let go of control, it represents a powerful experience that should not be illegal and merits scientific study.
Andrew Gallamore has conducted research involving IV DMT trips lasting approximately five hours in a country where the substance is legal. Participants consistently encounter similar places, beings, and patterns. They return with nearly identical descriptions of the experience, creating what amounts to a map of the territory. The DMT realm feels more vivid and crisp than normal consciousness, with intensely bright colors and powerful encounters.
DMT is produced naturally in the human brain and exists in thousands of plants including grass and the acacia tree. Some scholars from Jerusalem propose that Moses' burning bush experience involved an acacia bush containing DMT, which would align with the sense of encountering an all-powerful, loving entity that provides guidance.
Indigenous peoples in the Amazon discovered how to combine plants to make DMT orally active by pairing one plant containing dimethyltryptamine with another containing harmine, an MAO inhibitor. When asked how they learned this, they state the plants taught them. These jungle communities developed deep attunement to their environment over thousands of years.
Recent Fox News coverage discussed different types of entities encountered by the United States government. The discussion turned to a case involving a man named Carl who described being taken into a transparent cube or box by a six-foot-tall figure in a black jumpsuit. The figure communicated telepathically. Inside the vessel, Carl observed his targeted elk frozen in beams of light alongside five spectral humanlike figures in stasis.
The craft transported him 163,000 light years to a tower on an alien planet under a violet sky where his ailments were addressed. He was deemed unsuitable for their purposes due to infertility and was subsequently found miles away. His truck was discovered in impassible terrain embedded in mud.
Hypnosis sessions revealed the entity identified as Auso One stated they were experimenting on humans and animals for genetic or dimensional purposes. The beings appeared almost robotic. This raises questions about advanced technology that could transmit thoughts directly into the mind.
When investigating missing persons cases, any evidence of animal predation leads to immediate exclusion from consideration. Only cases with no animal tracks, where professional trackers and canines cannot find trails, are examined. Weather anomalies often accompany these disappearances. Bodies, when found, frequently appear near water or in boulder fields.
Yosemite Valley contains numerous such cases despite being difficult to get lost in. One woman was found so far from a cliff that investigators used the term "launched" in their report, a word choice that is highly unusual in park service documentation. This aligns with theories that people are dropped back into the environment.
Many abductees report being dropped rather than gently placed. Approximately 40 to 50 percent of people who disappear under these circumstances are never found. Of those who are recovered, the split between alive and dead is roughly equal. Bodies provide additional information because they sometimes show inexplicable features.
A common feature involves people removing all their clothing, including underwear, socks, and shoes, in piles at the point of separation. This occurs even on 80-degree days when hypothermia is impossible. The behavior happens too rapidly to be explained by paradoxical undressing. Shoes are particularly unlikely to be removed on trails.
No clear answers exist regarding what happens to abducted individuals or how many people are taken. The question of whether abductees have ever received responses about missing persons remains open.
There's speculation about whether authorities have ever asked UFO entities how many people they've abducted. Multiple groups or types of entities may be involved in taking people.
Fox News aired a report discussing reptilians, Nordics, and Grays that seemed out of character for the network. The question is whether this represents nonsense, slow-drip disclosure, or an effort to acclimate the public to the existence of non-human entities. The idea is raised that people around us could be aliens without our knowledge.
Joe Rogan suggests Elon Musk might be an alien and mentions having met people he suspected weren't human, including Joey Diaz.
Dan Farah from Age of Disclosure states that senior intelligence officials have gone on record saying dozens of crashed craft of non-human origin have been recovered by the government, along with technology and in some cases non-human bodies. Multiple species are represented among the recovered bodies, which were deceased.
After the president's February directive to declassify evidence of non-human intelligent life and UAPs, federal agencies largely pushed back against releasing information. Gatekeepers who have controlled the information for 80 years are reluctant to relinquish power. Other reasons for secrecy include the belief that the public cannot handle the truth and concerns about giving adversaries strategic advantages.
Farah argues the public can handle the truth, citing that audiences viewing his film are curious rather than panicked. A recently released military infrared video showing what appeared to be an eight-pointed star has been debunked as distortion from jet engine exhaust hitting an infrared camera.
In 2006, Gilbert Gilman disappeared in Olympic National Park. He was a former army intelligence officer who worked in Israel and Africa, spoke six languages, and later worked in political campaigns. He was scheduled to attend a meeting but stopped at the park, played loud music, turned it down at a ranger's request, and walked into the woods. A massive search found no trace, and canines couldn't follow his scent.
Gilman's girlfriend reported he had been trying to tell her something a week before disappearing. When asked if he worked for the CIA, she responded she didn't think she could talk about it. His mother revealed he had a bedroom in her Chicago penthouse and had asked her to stack books on his nightstand and write something in Arabic on a yellow pad. The FBI later entered the townhouse without a warrant and removed the yellow pad and some personal items.
The unusual circumstances suggest Gilman may have known he was going to be taken and agreed to it. He was wearing Bermuda shorts, flip-flops, and a Hawaiian shirt rather than hiking gear, and the loud music may have been a signal. His mother believes he may be alive somewhere, possibly working undercover for the government.
Gilman asked his mother to place specific books on his nightstand, possibly including Dante's Inferno, which she believed might be a clue to his disappearance.
In the 1950s, Ronald Tamman, a Miami University student who played in the band and wrestled varsity, disappeared after finding a fish in his bed. Five months later, the head of housing saw him at a bed and breakfast in New York sitting with three men in suits. When approached, the men had vanished. Tamman's family never saw or heard from him again.
The question arises why the government would need someone to separate from family under unusual circumstances rather than simply hiring them for government service.
The possibility that Gilman was killed by a serial killer is dismissed because extensive searches with dogs from the day of disappearance would have found blood, tracks, or evidence. No such evidence was located.
Gilman's disappearance may have involved some government extraction method. The ranger who asked him to turn down his music may have been part of the signal system.
The FBI entering a private residence without a search warrant to remove items in a missing persons case is considered completely outside normal procedure.
The world is far more complex than commonly understood, with people holding information about extraterrestrial bodies and recovered craft that differs completely from what the rest of the world knows.
Government reluctance to acknowledge missing persons in national parks mirrors the UFO disclosure issue, with both involving information that authorities believe the public cannot handle.
News reports from two years ago indicated Gilman's mother believed he disappeared to become a spy for the US government and remains alive. He had survival skills, was a paratrooper, and carried only a camera when he vanished.
Making someone disappear from regular life to work undercover is considered vile, especially regarding the impact on parents. An 88-year-old mother asked her missing son to come home if he was watching.
Kenneth Arnold was searching for a missing Marine transport plane near Mount Rainier when he made his famous 1947 UFO sighting. Three Marine transports had crashed in bad weather, and Arnold was flying near the mountain hoping to find the wreckage for a reward.
The Marines never recovered any bodies from the transport crash on Mount Rainier, claiming the terrain was too dangerous despite having accessed the site and seen the bodies.
Mount Baker and Mount Rainier have had dozens of UFO sightings since the Arnold incident. Most missing persons cases on Rainier occur at lower elevations rather than high on the mountain.
At least 15 people have never been found on Mount Rainier. Cases include a young man working for Alaska Airlines who photographed the mountain weekly and disappeared with his tripod and camera, and a 34-year-old medical doctor from UC Berkeley who vanished during a backpacking loop.
Searches for missing persons on Rainier typically yield no tracks, no scent trails, and no physical evidence despite extensive efforts with canines.
Paulides and his team have seen orbs and UFOs many times and have photographs of them. Modern special effects make it difficult to verify video evidence, so older film footage is preferred for authenticity.
Studying these cases for many years creates a unique perspective on the complexity of reality and unexplained phenomena.
Joe Rogan notes that listeners have been exposed to these topics for decades, creating a unique perspective on the world. He expresses that there is something significant behind the phenomena discussed, though he does not claim to know exactly what it is.
David Paulides suggests that further discussion on the topic be saved for a potential second appearance.
Paulides directs viewers to his most recent documentaries available on Amazon: Missing 411: National Parks Washington State and American Sasquatch: Man, Myth, or Monster.
He also mentions that three of his movies can be watched for free on Tubi:
- Missing 411
- Missing 411: The Hunted
- Missing 411: The UFO Connection
His website, missing411.com, contains all of his books.
Joe Rogan thanks Paulides for appearing on the podcast. Paulides expresses his pleasure in participating. The episode concludes with farewells to the audience.
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