JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck
In a Nutshell
Joe Rogan and Matt Serra discuss aging in combat sports and rock culture, arguing that consistent training preserves physical capability while inactivity makes recovery nearly impossible after age 50. They criticize inconsistent refereeing—particularly stand-ups from dominant positions like Damian Maia's back control on Kamaru Usman—and outdated rules like the 12-to-6 elbow ban. The conversation covers fighter durability concerns including Jorge Masvidal's post-transplant risks and Conor McGregor's questionable recovery from his leg break, while praising technical innovations like oblique kicks and exploring why advanced catch-wrestling submissions like the executioner remain rare in MMA despite being available.
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Joe Rogan and his guest discuss Tommy Lee. He was described as a big kid who never had to grow up after getting famous at 18. Rogan mentions working with him as a bodyguard and notes that Tommy was always cool and never a dick in their interactions. They discuss Tommy's interest in bonsai trees, including his zen garden setup and how he trims hundred-year-old, two-hundred-year-old, and three-hundred-year-old bonsai trees that are passed down through generations with paperwork documenting their history. The trees are kept small through trimming, creating artistic forms. They also mention Tommy being a gearhead who talks about cars, including buying an old Corvette and putting a supercharger on it.
They discuss the famous Tommy Lee and Pamela Anderson sex tape, noting it was one of the first celebrity sex tapes that allowed them to get even more famous afterward. Both were already super famous, and their relationship was described as their "superpowers unite." They also mention Tommy was with Heather Locklear. The conversation covers the wild nature of rock and roll life, specifically what it must have been like for Tommy at 18 as the drummer for Mötley Crüe.
The conversation shifts to older rock stars who continue touring. They mention David Lee Roth and Brian Johnson from AC/DC, noting that Brian Johnson's screaming vocal style is unsustainable and no vocal coach would recommend it. They wonder about older rock stars having groupies, including 60-year-old groupies who have kept "that flame lit since the 80s." They discuss Mick Jagger having a young child in his 80s, and Al Pacino also having a child later in life. The discussion covers whether it's responsible for an 80-year-old to have a child, noting that by the time the child is five, the father could be gone. They debate if the young woman might want the child to "leave something behind."
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