Prime Minister Netanyahu; Drawing the Lines; Gout Gout | 60 Minutes Full Episodes
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Netanyahu asserts Israel's war with Iran degraded its nuclear and proxy capabilities but requires forceful removal of enriched uranium and dismantling of sites like Hezbollah, rejecting linked ceasefires and eyeing regime change amid U.S. aid debates and social media propaganda losses. Louisiana's redistricting battle voids a race-based congressional map, sparking protests over Black voter dilution under the Voting Rights Act, with Gov. Landry pushing non-racial lines. 18-year-old Australian sprinter Gout Gout shattered Usain Bolt's under-18 200m world record at 19.67s, crediting coach Dye Shepherd's patient training for his rise toward 2028/2032 Olympics.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his first U.S. broadcast interview since the war with Iran began. He signaled the imperative of getting nuclear material out of Iran: "it can be taken out by force." On removing highly enriched uranium: "you go in and you take it out." Asked about using special forces from Israel or the United States, he dodged: "I'm not going to talk about military means." President Trump said: "I want to go in there and I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way." On taking it by force without agreement: "you're going to ask me these questions I'm going to dodge them."
War accomplished a great deal but not over: still material, enriched uranium to take out of Iran; enrichment sites to dismantle; proxies Iran supports; ballistic missiles they want to produce. Much degraded but work remains. No timetable given.
Hours before interview, Israel targeted Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon—second front, much more Israel's than America's. Possible war with Iran ends but war with Hezbollah continues separately? "They should be." Iran wants ceasefire linking them to keep Hezbollah torturing Lebanon, holding people hostage. Netanyahu will not accept, even if President Trump asks: "he understands... we want to get rid of that danger to our communities to our cities. They rocket our cities all the time." If Iran regime weakened or toppled: end of Hezbollah, Hamas, probably Houthis; whole scaffolding of Iran's terrorist proxy network collapses.
Possible to topple Iranian regime? "You can't predict when that happens... is it possible yes is it guaranteed no." New York Times investigation: Before war, in Situation Room on February 11th, Netanyahu made hard sell to president suggesting Iran ripe for regime change, joint U.S.-Israeli mission could end Islamic Republic. Netanyahu: Incorrect, did not say guaranteed; both agreed uncertainty and risk. "Danger in action but greater danger in not taking action." NYT: Outlined conditions pointing to certain victory, regime so weakened it would bring down "necropolis" then Iran. On Iran breaking Strait of Hormuz or TRINACT: Not quantified exactly but problem understood as fighting went on; great risk for Iran, now understood. No perfect foresight.
Unforeseen: degree of Iranian military retribution against neighboring Gulf states and damage caused. Many Arab states interested in strengthening ties with Israel: possibility of expansion and deepening agreements to alliances never dreamed of. Concern among Gulf monarchies Israel exercising strategic dominance. Netanyahu hears from Arab countries: strengthen alliance with Israel to deter Iran, do amazing things; trajectory before conflict, now more in ways not public. Economic cooperation on energy, AI, quantum—Israel strong, sharing fruits happening now.
Summit between Chinese President Xi Jinping and President Trump. China largest importer of crude oil through Strait of Hormuz. China providing materially valuable military support to Iranian regime? "China gave a certain amount of support... particular components of a missile manufacturing."
$3.8 billion per year, bipartisan consensus for decades, now scrutiny from shifting attitudes. Time for Israel to reexamine financial relationship? Netanyahu to Trump and own people: draw down to zero American financial support over next decade, start now. Keenly aware of declining support: Pew survey, 60% U.S. adults unfavorable view of Israel, up nearly 20 points in four years. Big reason: war in Gaza, over 70,000 killed per Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry (civilians and terrorists).
Reputational harm from social media, "eighth front of war." Social media allows painting anyone as monster if said often enough. Risk of losing war on social media front, especially younger Americans using words like barbaric: Israel went to unbelievable lengths—millions of text messages, phone calls, pamphlets, leaflets. Deterioration correlates 100% with rise of social media; several countries manipulated it cleverly, hurt badly. Israel made tactical/strategic mistakes? "Of course... in war armies sometimes miss and civilians die... not deliberate." Besieged on media/propaganda front, not done well on propaganda war.
International Criminal Court (not recognized by Israel or U.S.) accused Netanyahu of war crimes in Gaza. Not achieved disarming Hamas: somebody has to disarm, demilitarize, de-radicalize Gaza. Israel's obligation or international community's? "Find me the countries who would do it... if it comes down to us we'll have to do it... choose time and circumstances." Not letting Hamas threaten again; hard way or easy way, prefers easy—seen tragedy of war personally.
Impression of hunger for conflict? Before October 7th, most restrained prime minister militarily. October 7th was attack by Iran Axis to annihilate via noose of death. "We're going to change the Middle East... not going to happen. Not on my watch."
Chaos and protests in state houses as Republicans and Democrats race to draw new congressional maps for midterm control of Congress. Razor-thin margin. Supreme Court decision 11 days ago: Louisiana congressional map unconstitutional, relied too heavily on race.
In Shreveport, Galilee Baptist Church packed; constituents question fate of district. Democratic Congressman Cleo Fields (elected 1992, lost/won in redistricting battles): unlikely to keep seat. Not about personal job: seat gives Black opportunity to win, not guarantee. Voting Rights Act 1965 protects minority voting power. Louisiana ~30% Black; Black politicians elected in white-majority districts. Supreme Court gutted it; some conservatives say proves racial progress, but not in South: "tell those folk to come here and run for office."
6th District: 200+ miles from Baton Rouge to Shreveport; Chief Justice John Roberts called it "a snake... picking up black populations." Case by non-African American voters under 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause: unconstitutional racial gerrymander. Gerrymandering named after Elbridge Gerry (salamander district); legal to benefit party in power—snake in Louisiana, lobster in Virginia, earmuffs in Illinois.
Congress has record 63 Black members: progress nationally, not Louisiana. Some won't vote Black: need government help for equal chance.
Republican Governor Jeff Landry (Trump ally, ex-attorney general, elected 2023): Cannot say all created equal then sort by race. Declared state of emergency, suspended primaries (voting started), do-over. Over 45,000 ballots returned: discarded, vote again in November. Louisiana voters tired of litigation; wants unshackled. Concern if no African American representatives? Legislature's decision; no need to guarantee minority representation.
Redistricting usually decennial with census, but Trump pushed Texas redraw for 5 seats; California Gavin Newsom for 5 blue; Obama pushing Democrats. Coast-to-coast arms race; Republicans confident post-Louisiana/Virginia rulings. Protests in Tennessee, Alabama. No legal requirement to protect minority power.
Steven Vladeck (Georgetown): Leads to polarized Congress of extremes; redraw whenever partisan advantage, not just decennial.
President Trump praised Landry, wants House Republican control, but has not asked to redraw maps. Republican supermajority doing it. Justice Alito: less institutional racism (Obama elected twice, Black Republicans rising). Landry: Failed narrative Louisiana racist, won't elect Black—disagrees. No Black candidate elected statewide (governor/AG) since Reconstruction.
Pastor Timothy Hunter, Linda Scott, Donnie Sutton in Shreveport: Dilutes Black vote; purpose to make America Jim Crow again; no checks/balances; cannot separate politics from race in southern states. Keep pressing: too many suffered/died for rights. African-American voters need ballot box protection. Reference to Martin Luther King.
Judge a person based upon the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Black voters in Louisiana have said they feel it's true that someone who looks like you, who has not lived their experience, does not address their concerns as well as someone who has lived their experience. How is it that a little country boy who grew up in a town that was primarily black not lived through those experiences? A lot of folks might say those experiences are not necessarily the same. You're saying I should not judge a person just because the person is black, and I agree with that. But isn't it the opposite, that I shouldn't be judged just because I'm white or Hispanic or Indian? After all of the different cases, after all of the rectification of the sins of the past, which no one has denied, we're still trying to find some sliver of discrimination in race. A lot of people would say you don't have to try to find it, it's there. It would reside in people's hearts, not in their laws.
There may be no sport older than sprinting. There's something singularly intoxicating about speed, about watching the fastest humans on the planet thunder down the straightaway like Usain Bolt. All the more so when they've navigated a circuitous path to get there. Remember the name Gout Gout. He's an 18-year-old Australian, born and raised in the United States—no, born in Brisbane, Australia. When he's not watching his beloved anime or taking photos on his Kodak camera, he's running and inevitably winning races in roughly the time it takes to spit out this sentence. When the 2028 Olympics arrive in Los Angeles in barely two years' time, Gout Gout could bolt to a medal. Fix your eyes on Lane 6, the runner in the maroon shirt.
16 months ago, in the equivalent of the Australian High School Championships, Gout Gout, then an 11th grader, ran the 200-meter dash in 20.04 seconds, clocking the fastest time in Australian history. This broke a mark set by another runner at the 1968 Olympics. These are adult records. Yeah, these are adult times, and me, just a kid. Gout Gout's time also broke the World Age Group record set in 2003 by Usain Bolt, the Jamaican eight-time gold medalist considered the sport's greatest ever. > This race, you basically became the fastest 16-year-old in history.
My first couple steps, I had a good start, and if I have a good start, it's kind of over, because my top end speed is great, and once I get in the top end speed, I'm flying. What is running nourishing in you? Running just feels that inner child in me that wants to feel free. Running makes me feel like myself, for sure. This is what you were meant to do. Yeah, this is what I was pretty much put on this earth to do, and that's what I'm doing.
It's made him an overnight sensation. He keeps getting faster, and on his current trajectory, he could be a force at the LA Olympics in 2028. Four years after that, the ultimate home game. Brisbane, the only home Gout's known, hosts the 2032 Summer Games. Gout will be 24 then, the age when sprinters tend to hit their stride. He's flying! He will be Gout of this universe! The reaction was warranted. Unbelievable! He didn't just win this race, the time qualified him for the World Championships. For Gout Gout, the huge one, the new personal best.
Note the woman in the visor. That's Dye Shepherd, Gout's coach, the only one he's ever had—this grouchy grandma. > Do we need to chase the attention? I don't like the attention. It's not my cup of tea. Gout handles it totally different to me. But good cop, bad cop. You're okay being the bad cop? Hell yeah, it doesn't bother me one bit. When he acts his age and goofs off at practice, his coach isn't having it. > Any excuse. For real. Like, if I did a curve ball, and the wind took it, you know what I mean? Mate, you're lucky you can run.
This is a story of next big thing energy. Of his limber legs and her bad knees. It's also a throwback story, a tale of old-fashioned values and virtues, not least loyalty and patience. For us, it's all about the learning curve. > Pretty good start. There's no such thing as perfect. Perfect start. Right. Gout's parents emigrated from South Sudan to Brisbane, Australia's third largest city, in 2005. Their second son of seven kids, Gout was born in 2007, his double name in keeping with Sudanese tradition. When Gout was the equivalent of a seventh grader at Ipswich Grammar, Shepherd, then as now the school's track coach, spotted him racing classmates. > You get to here and all of a sudden, it's just like... You're running around with your friends and this woman says, hey, come here. Because previous to that, people would be scared of her because she's cranky. So me being a 12-year-old, 13-year-old kid, I'm like, am I getting in trouble? What's going on? And then she calls me over and she's like, you should come to track and field training.
I'm guessing you won that sprint across the field that day. Of course, of course. They were showing me a particular boy, and Gout was running against the particular boy, and I'm just going, no, no, who's the other kid? Who's that? I want him. What did you see? I looked at him and just went, oh, my God. Something just gut-punchy was just like, this kid's a real deal. You saw greatness from... Yeah, from that day I saw him. So I was just talking to the junior school headmaster, and I'd said to him, watch me, I'm going to make that one a champion. He thought I was mucking around. She never mucks around. She has no formal track background, but her son was a fast kid with big ambitions. In the early 2000s, when he was a student at Ipswich Grammar, she inquired as to how to become a track coach at the school. She was told that only school employees could coach. Fine. She quit her job at a supermarket and took a job handing out school uniforms so she'd be eligible.
Soon after starting to train with Coach Dye, Gout was winning and winning. Ipswich Grammar School. There were medals, trophies, and in time, an agent. For all the attention and opportunities, Gout stayed in school, where in December he graduated with straight As. And he stayed with Coach Dye. > It's a pretty crazy dynamic when you think about it. An old white lady and a young black kid, you know, it's a crazy dynamic. But it turns out it works perfectly and I wouldn't have it any other way.
You appreciate it. It's something almost like a movie, like cinematic. Yeah, it's literally straight out of a movie. But it works. Yeah, indeed, it does work. And I guess our personalities kind of filter off each other, like we're all on the same level and we're all learning. So it's a great relationship.
Yes, there are the inevitable comparisons to Bolt, who recently said of Gout, > he looks like young me. But in truth, Gout recalls few other sprinters. For one, there's his unique physique, more befitting a runner of longer distances. Gout is six feet tall, less than 150 pounds, all tendons, bones, and ropey muscles. By comparison, Bolt ran at 6'5", 207 pounds. Where Bolt exploded from the start, Gout can struggle off the blocks. It's the mid-race speed endurance. His ability to sustain top speed of roughly 25 miles an hour that makes him extraordinary. But he's still an unfinished product. And Shepherd says failing to account for that can bring about injury and burnout. > If I tried to make him super quick, now I'd break him. You can't have a sprinter's approach to sprinting. Just the fact he's a kid. And he's got so much more physical development. Like, he only really hit puberty in the last 12 to 18 months, basically. I had to deal with a lot of growth issues with Gout. When I met Gout, he walked right up on his toes. Took me six months to get the heel down. And it wasn't all the way down. He still walked. That's why he looks like he kind of... He's got these springs in his legs now.
Dylan Hicks is an expert in sports biomechanics and a movement scientist at Flinders University in Adelaide. He recently published an academic paper on sprinting based on his country's new star. Everybody has springs in their legs because we've got these things called Achilles tendons. But when we have them at a longer length, Achilles tendons are really powerful at storing elastic energy. So we see him sort of bouncing his way down the track and using less steps than everybody else.
Predictably, brands have come calling. An Adidas deal reportedly pays Gout a base of more than $4 million over eight years. > Were you worried when the Adidas money came that was going to change the dynamic and the balance? I think the only time we'll have trouble is if it's a girl that I don't like. He brings home a girlfriend that doesn't meet Coach Dye's approval. What happens? I'd go to Mom and go, Yeah, she's got to go. Gout's parents: busy raising their other kids and working, Dad runs a dishwashing operation at the local hospital, Mom works inside the home, politely decline all interview requests. They've deputized Coach Dye to help oversee their son's ascending career. The only way she rolls, anyway. > I'm guessing you and helicopter parents don't get on too well. Not at all. You're upfront about this. Yep. I'm going to be the coach, and if you want to hover and you want to share in the glory, I'm probably not the coach for you.
Last summer, visited Gout and Coach Dye in Germany, where they held a training base in Tubingen, a sleepy college town. They were fresh off Gout's international pro debut. His first race as a pro in Europe, Gout takes it by a meter. At the big meet in Ostrava in the Czech Republic, he took first in the 200, shaving time off his personal best. > I'm big on stepping stones. I'm big on, okay, well, we've got to enjoy that, but it's a step. You're not there yet. We're not doing victory laps for what you did when you were 17 years old. How many people run 20.04? Men. Not a boy, but men. So, yeah, you're there, but then he's got to take the next leap. Last fall at 17, the youngest 200-meter sprinter at the Track World Championships, Gout carried great expectations into Tokyo, placing fourth in his semifinal heat.
But then, just last month, the next leap. Gout's in front. He's coming away now. At a race in Sydney, Gout became the fastest teenager in the history of the world in the 200, running a 19.67, a time that would have won him bronze at the 2024 Olympics. > It strikes me you're sprinting, but pacing your life is really important. Yeah, it's crazy to think about how you want to run as fast as possible, but you don't want to overload too much when you're a teenager, because then that messes up the rest of your career. Like, you've got all this time in the world.
What do the next few years look like? In February, watched him work out with local kids. Gout and his unlikely coach believe that right now, this is the best environment as he works toward future Olympics. He is a big enough deal here that he's received perhaps the highest Australian honor. A signature line of Vegemite. > You're okay with fame? Me personally, I didn't call it fame. I like to call it well-known in the wider community. Well-known for what? Well-known in the wider community. So I don't really use the word famous, but just well-known. You're doing okay with being well-known in the wider community? Yeah, I'm doing all right.
See how Usain Bolt and Gout Gout stack up against each other in the 200 at 60minutesovertime.com. I'm Scott Pelley. We'll be back next week with another edition of 60 Minutes.
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