The New Apex Predator: CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz on Adversaries Armed With AI Agents
In a Nutshell
CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz argues that AI has flattened the adversary pyramid—online activists now wield state-level capabilities through open-weight models and autonomous agents, compressing breach-to-exfiltration times to 27 seconds. Security must shift from brake to accelerator: the only effective defense is superior defensive AI trained on proprietary telemetry, not generic frontier models. Organizations should deploy hybrid local/remote "Safe Mind" red/blue models, maintain digital twins for continuous adversarial testing, and treat identity-aware agent governance as the new perimeter.
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For the first time, security has become the accelerator pedal, not the brake pedal. The new, more powerful predator is the client state. Today, an online activist possesses the same level of capabilities that a country had a few years ago. This has radically changed the threat landscape.
What we need to keep in mind is that it's no longer about malware, but about signals. They can design signals that create a completely unique signature that determines their path, how they gather information, and their tipping point.
Everyone is turning to CrowdStrike and others asking: "How do we make AI safe so that we can develop it more quickly?" The only way to counter artificial intelligence today is to develop better artificial intelligence. The defender knows his systems very well. He has the architectural plan. He has the code. How can all of this be integrated into a system that greatly enhances the likelihood of outperforming offensive AI?
George Kurtz is the first person people in the world turn to when any accident occurs. He is a legendary cyber defender, and the founder and CEO of Foundstone and then CrowdStrike.
There are many times more malicious programs infiltrating people's properties than they realize. If you trace the trajectory of Frontier Labs and look at its revenues alone, you will notice the huge number of potential customers spread out, whether using Cloud Code or Codex, who appear everywhere.
Hidden artificial intelligence has become a major problem for many companies. Understanding where organizations are operating their AI, who is doing what, and most importantly, what identity they are actually operating under, has been a huge challenge in this space.
The impact of artificial intelligence on opponents can be described as flattening the pyramid of opponents. When thinking of adversaries, this is called the pyramid of pain.
Imagine the base of the pyramid, that is, what we call the online activist. Here you have the lowest level of development, but the largest number of opponents. Then, in the middle layer of the pyramid, you find cybercrime, which is more sophisticated, but slightly less numerous than cyber activists. At the top of the pyramid you find the countries, which are the most developed, but their number is relatively small.
This concept has completely changed, because what we see now is that the strongest predator is the client state, not the nation-state. What the client state did, if we look at the available models—those models that lack real controls—was to exploit all these complex topics and technologies, drastically reduce costs, and simplify the structure of the entire system. The same level of capabilities that a state possessed a few years ago is now available to the online activist. This situation has radically changed the threat environment.
More security vulnerabilities are being discovered, and faster attacks. When the attacks happen, they are in succession. It is now clear whether the attack relies on artificial intelligence, because we see how quickly it has evolved. At some point, this type of attack will be rolled out slowly and slowly, and it will become difficult to distinguish between what is artificial intelligence and what is not.
The barrage of attacks, and their level of complexity has increased significantly. Ultimately, if you give an agent a task with enough time, and he has to either get in or die, he will try to find a way to get in, and often he will succeed.
A shift is being observed towards the predominant use of open-weight models. If we look at the security controls in the latest generation of advanced protection models, frankly, you can hardly create a presentation (PowerPoint) that includes cybersecurity. Your application is literally rejected and you are redirected to a lower form.
Models such as GLM or Quinn or any of the other models available are very effective in dealing with cybersecurity. Many of these models are either modified or specifically designed for cybersecurity. These may be for penetration testing purposes, and these are the types of attacks you can easily run on them. You can run it on my Spark DGX at home, where all the models work, and I can do whatever I want. Do you want to create ransomware? No problem. Do you want to create a ransomware package? No problem. You want to publish and develop it. Everything is available to you, and this is much easier than running it on your laptop.
North Korea is preoccupied with this type of attack. They need to inject money into their economy, so they busied themselves with stealing information, especially ransomware. Intensive activity from China has been observed, using artificial intelligence, and this has also been seen in the world of cybercrime.
When tracking the time of system breaches, if they manage to infiltrate your system, how long will it take them to get out of it and move to another system? Generally, the system they land on first is not the most interesting. Valuable information may be found elsewhere. So, on average, it used to take days, or hours, but now it's minutes. On average, it takes 29 minutes, but we've seen it go down to just 27 seconds.
What people need to remember is that it's no longer about malware, it's about demands. Therefore, they can design claims that create a completely unique fingerprint that defines their direction, how they gather information, and their tipping point, making it very difficult to know all of that.
We are living in one of the most exciting periods in the field of technology. Security goes hand in hand with technological development. When starting work in security, it was limited to a Cisco router and a simple website, and firewalls did not exist back then. There were toolkits such as TIS and others.
The current situation with regard to cloud computing and all other technologies related to artificial intelligence is more complicated than it was in the past. Attackers will discover new technologies that they may not have adequate protection for, and they will exploit things like NPM packets. In the past, no one in American companies would simply download anything and run it on their computer. It had to be examined, tested, and so on. Now, we launch a client, give him an identity, which is essentially our identity or worse, and then we launch him and tell him, "Do whatever you want." And by the way, download any package you want. It is clear that these things cause a tremendous amount of exposure.
Security became the engine, not the brakes. This is what we are witnessing. The issue of artificial intelligence related to facial recognition was a major turning point for many, as they realized there was a radical change in capabilities and technology and what could happen, as you mentioned, monitoring things, etc.
The main conclusions from the "face hug" experiment are that anyone who manages leading models needs to be careful about the quality of their environment and conduct continuous and accurate production monitoring. Many would say this was the first full-scale attack by agents. When you look at what these things were doing, you'll find people talking about them, and how they were hiding and trying to survive until the next generation, and so on.
The main conclusion is that the defenders did not have the same capabilities as the attackers. The airbags were disabled because this was an experiment where the security barriers were low, the airbags were disabled, and eventually they found a way out of the test area. The reality was shocking when they first turned to advanced testing models and asked, "Is this real? What's going on?" They refused. Because the loopholes existed. So, what were they supposed to do? They actually had to resort to advanced testing models to analyze and understand all this data.
One main goal is to ensure that defenders have the same level of advanced defensive AI that the attack uses. This was an important summary, and it's part of what CrowdStrike is working on.
Creating Safe Mind and red and blue models was specifically for the reason that defensive capabilities are not available to every institution in advanced laboratory models. The goal was to provide customers with advanced defenses that would allow them to operate without all this rejection. This will be an important element in the future for many companies.
With every technological shift, offensive capabilities are always slightly ahead when there is a major change in how things are done, for a number of reasons. One of them is that the attack can be highly targeted. The defense requires covering a wide area. You need to cover more aspects, and secondly, it's about adopting and disseminating technology. You are facing a single attack, or a group of attackers, versus the widespread ecosystem of organizations that you need to defend against.
CrowdStrike established their own cyber intelligence super labs before the term became popular. They have created a leading laboratory that focuses entirely on security models, both red and blue, and call it Safe Mind as a system, and have Red Tempest and Blue Solano. These are the two models. They have worked extensively with Nvidia on this project, and rely mainly on several models, but NeMo Tron is one of the main models used on the defensive side.
When meeting with Jensen Huang, they had been working on this project for the past six months, and discussed how it would work. Defense always seems to be a step behind, so the bulk of what they do is develop both the offensive and defensive sides.
For clients, there is a clear vision of their environment, and Jensen insisted on the necessity of having a digital twin. If you look at other sectors, you will find that they have digital twins. He added: "You should have a digital twin." Therefore, a digital twin was created where all the information known about the client's environment could be taken and recreated in a virtual world. Then the patterns can be repeated and repeated, with the red team constantly focusing on the breakthrough until their attempts are exhausted, because the blue team (Solano) has already figured out what the red team is doing.
This is the best way to keep up with the threats, because the Red Team is constantly developing its methods, and this link will be essential.
The focus is no longer just about the endpoint, but about cloud computing, information technology, identity, and many other areas. The areas invested in heavily, and some of the things discussed at the recent user conference, FalCon, all revolved around what is called AIDR.
CrowdStrike was a pioneer in the field of EDR, i.e., Endpoint Detection and Response, which in its early days relied on computers and humans. Then many other features related to this area were added, including prevention and the like. When looking at what the agent does, we find that he is more like a superhuman. It has an identity, it has access to computing, it runs on your device, or it can run in a container. He has access to data, and he has networking capabilities. What was wanted to be achieved was to discover all the malicious and hidden AI programs, because nobody knew where they were. As mentioned, you need to know the nature of your environment. Secondly, the functions of each agent can be tracked since its creation.
If you are working in a cloud environment, you start with an agent, then create sub-agents, make tool calls, connect to an MCP server, and pull data. Whatever he does, the full sequence of events can be provided, which is extremely important, and then our own ban policies and rules can be added.
A lot of time has been devoted to this area, and from a business perspective, if we look at current statistics, we find that on average—which is low in my opinion—the number of agents can reach 90 different agents per employee. This represents a much greater opportunity than simply detecting and responding to endpoints (EDR).
The second area is the creation of a super-intelligence laboratory and the development of pioneering models. The models begin with existing models such as the anemometer class, specifically the third class. They help them adjust some aspects related to the resulting power. They are then trained later using all the valuable data collected over the past fifteen years to achieve the best results.
The belt makes a big difference. As with any model used, whether it is an advanced or off-the-shelf model, much better results are obtained at a lower cost thanks to the belt that was designed specifically for it.
The question of why this is not considered just a pilot model when working with open artificial intelligence and capabilities such as Anthropic is valid. These labs are of course aware of the importance of security, and they have programs for certified defenders, such as Daybreak or Mythos Access. Why is this not enough?
There is a strong argument based on harnessing understanding of internal data. There are several things that are important for an independent security provider. Firstly, what the laboratories produce is amazing. What they've achieved and accomplished is unbelievable. We also want to make that available to our customers. So, the general idea is: if you have a secure mindset and want to take advantage of a pioneering model, that's great. We can benefit from it. If you want to take advantage of our models, that's great. Our models will be much cheaper.
For example, in general processing operations, if you use a highly sophisticated cybersecurity model, it will cost you about $10. Our model, however, costs no more than 3 cents. Therefore, there is a huge difference in cost, which is important. But when you look at our model, you will find that, thanks to its subsequent training on our own data, the fundamental difference lies in our ownership of the data. There is no equivalent to CrowdStrike security data on Reddit. You can create artificial data, but it doesn't compare to what we have. We have security data covering 15 years, or maybe a little less because work started 15 years ago, but you could say it's more than a decade, including Managed Detection and Response Service (MDR) data, which contains all kinds of threats, vulnerabilities, and attack chains. This huge amount of data has been created that is used to train the model. Therefore, great results are achieved in this area, and it is characterized by its high concentration thanks to subsequent training.
It is true that it will not cure cancer, but it will give excellent results in the field of security. This is the most important thing.
Secondly, there is the aspect of security and trust. All of the customers' data has been held, and this data has been entrusted over the past fifteen years. We know how to protect them, we know what they want, and how they want to use them. There is genuine concern among customers; they do not want to send all this data to laboratories, nor do they want their sensitive information used in training. Therefore, a way can be provided to give them the confidence and security they desire for their own security program. This concept, the concept of AI supremacy, is very important to many of our clients.
So, once again, we are not saying rule out labs because they have amazing technology, but you can choose what suits you or switch between different models, but our ultimate goal is to give customers the freedom of choice.
The separation of religion and state is important. We want to ensure that there is a fairly neutral third party that can examine some of the models provided by the labs or some other open-source software; CrowdStrike also appears capable of fulfilling this role. Therefore, the most important factor in security is trust, being a reliable partner. You can look at the suppliers; there are of course a few large companies, and many security companies, but trust is built gradually and lost in the heat of the moment. The customers we lose do not want dishonest practices that could compromise their data, and as you know, everyone is doing their best, but our primary focus is on security and protecting our customers. We are not seeking to solve the world's problems in the field of artificial intelligence or any other field. So, this is an advantage for us.
Within two years, local models will exist that all run on personal computers. There may be a combination of local models as well as routing data to remote areas. There will be a larger number of open templates. The change in cryptocurrency prices over the past six months can be observed.
Bank IT managers report that heavy investment in artificial intelligence created extremely high costs, which led to a complete halt in cryptocurrency exploitation when organizations accumulated enormous bills. When asked about future plans, the response was that current open weight models are very good and even if three months behind schedule, they are perfectly adequate for banking needs.
One client with interest in Formula 1 racing stated that any Formula 1-related activity needed for the bank will go to Frontier models. If the activity falls into the alpha category where profits are made and the activity is very important, they will pay for it. For everything else that is very expensive, they will create their own models for open weight and conduct further training on them.
George Kurtz believes this open weight model approach is the path that almost every client will take. The challenge in the current environment is that everyone is noticing the situation and there is concern about the high level of what is going to happen.
Chinese players are dominating open tournaments and training their models against human AI models, open AI models, or other advanced models. Many laboratories are now trying to launch efforts to combat the leakage by building capability in the model to prevent leaks. The question posed is whether this represents a continuous exchange of capabilities similar to attack and defense in cyberspace.
The advanced models are concluding with all the information gathered, and lawsuits related to the source of the data are well known. The distillation process is triple distilled, and laboratories are focused on trying to prevent distillation. When looking at existing Chinese models, many distilleries produce systems that are circulating online.
The challenge is that things have gotten out of control with a lot of distillation already done. The models are very good, but there is appreciation for the efforts made. Without all the capabilities, innovation is still required to have the best models, and there are innovative things happening outside of the United States.
Controlling the distillation process will be difficult despite best efforts. In two years, the situation remains unknown, though great models exist today and can last for a while with substantial data already stored in them.
The question is whether Chinese companies have structural advantages to remain at the forefront of open source and open weights, or whether US open weights models are likely to catch up in the near term.
Great open-source weight models in the United States would be extremely important. The collaboration with Nvidia on Neumotron is open source and open weight, not just open weight. Having other alternatives would be extremely important. Looking at technology evolution, the operating system for the internet is Linux, and there will be an operating system for artificial intelligence that will be open source and open weight.
This does not mean there is no room for pioneering models or that people won't make money from them. The applications surrounding AI, the connections, and institutional thinking will all be extremely important. However, the very high cost of frontier models means they are becoming commodities. If Chinese models are three months behind, many companies will question whether they fulfill all needs.
One of the top five financial investors and major technology buyers stated there is no chance their organization could afford to release a new model every 10 days. The three-month delay was faster than the acceptable and organized pace of their institution, making it not very important to them.
Some smart, well-educated tech professionals are saying the internet must be shut down and everything isolated completely because the internet will break down next year and it will be unsafe for vital systems to connect. The question is how likely this is given that many vital systems society cannot rely on for internet connectivity.
The idea of shutting down the internet is considered nonsense. Security and the risks posed by actors are dangerous, and everything needs to be secured. However, the world will not end because of these smart programs soon. When examining what these programs do, there is an idealized perception - the smart program does not move from one device to another but does what a human does, only better and faster.
Companies like CrowdStrike have been preventing attacks for a long time, and these attacks may come faster with more chain-linked security vulnerabilities. This is great for attackers but not for defenders. AI created more security gaps that are being exploited faster, making things quicker overall.
There is no single type of client who suddenly moves somewhere. People are preoccupied with the idea of a new type of technology replacing artificial intelligence, but there isn't one. AI has only been trained in what is known and has not yet developed its own techniques.
Security will once again be an enabler of artificial intelligence, which is extremely important for the security sector. Under normal circumstances, development is slowed down and time is needed, but now everyone is turning to companies like CrowdStrike asking how to make AI safe so development can proceed faster.
AI is here to stay with some valid concerns, but there is excessive pessimism about some issues that is not necessarily justified.
Electronic chips were not popular in the past but are popular today, and more will be needed faster with greater specialization. Major breakthroughs in the world of electronic chips are expected. Moore's Law may be old-fashioned, but ultimately with electronic chips, things got faster and cheaper, and this will continue.
With development of specialized chips focusing on specific areas and advancement of mathematical science, tremendous increases in performance and reductions in energy consumption may be seen. Electronic chips are considered an important factor, and there is ample room for development in open weight models, especially American models.
Great progress is expected in miniaturizing models to run on phones. The history shows that launching the first space rocket required a room the size of a football field filled with computers, but today smartphones have more power than that entire room.
AI will become faster, cheaper, and more efficient, bringing it to desktops and phones where it is implemented at the edge. This represents exciting opportunities because this is where hybrid models will most likely be adopted, with many operations implemented locally.
Tensor processing units (TPUs), neural processing units (NPUs), and others are present in current systems and often go to waste, but this will not continue for long.
AI security defenders are generally very pessimistic about the cat-and-mouse game improving in their favor. However, if people invest properly and make better products while automating processes, defense could actually dominate over the next decade.
The ability to quickly understand what attacks are doing and ensure defenses keep up will be key. This is like a modern version of "Hacking Exposed," a book co-authored years ago about the idea that explaining how attacks work makes defense much better.
As an industry, equipping defenders with capabilities similar to or better than attackers is fundamental. If defenders are slightly superior, they will still have the advantage mathematically. It will always be a cat and mouse game, but being smart about how to deal with it will be crucial.
The only way to counter artificial intelligence today is with better artificial intelligence. Defenders know their systems very well, have architectural plans, and have programming code. The question is how to employ all of that to greatly increase chances of outperforming offensive AI.
Over time, if most code is written by automated programs, better security architecture can be enforced. Official verification has always been very limited, and even without that, the main reason programs are unsafe is limited engineers with limited capabilities working very quickly.
If scaling up with computing speed or willingness to spend is possible, and automated programs have inexhaustible patience, more secure programs may eventually be achieved over time.
Even with zero security vulnerabilities, which is hoped the industry will achieve, there will still be breaches. Much of what is seen today is not necessarily a hack but simply a login, representing a major identity problem.
Improving code and reducing vulnerabilities would be great if rolled out widely. The challenge is that it takes a long time. Microsoft, due to compatibility issues with previous versions, has things that are never fixed or updated.
Running CrowdStrike for 15 years after being an entrepreneur, security has always been loved because as a business, the problem is not going to disappear. Many CEOs of large, well-established public companies feel instability because much of the value built during their tenure is being challenged.
This is a different operating model and pace. AI companies that just started have a handful of people where Claude runs everything and agents do all kinds of tasks. This is the new world, and traditional development approaches with products released a full year later will bankrupt organizations.
Having huge teams and long timetables will not be beneficial. Instead, smaller teams or small groups focused on solving specific problems are needed. These teams can benefit from artificial intelligence, but thousands of people cannot be relied upon to solve a single problem.
This approach was already implemented with the Falcon Guardian product. Personal involvement included attending meetings three days a week and participating in design with specific changes requested. Returning to entrepreneurial roots is required because this level of change is necessary to work in larger companies.
Looking at work patterns, being a record system is very important. CrowdStrike is a security records system with everyone's data for many years. As network data creators, sensors called security agents generate approximately 7 trillion events every day.
Constantly creating new data flow provides competitive advantage because data fed into any artificial intelligence system is its lifeblood. Strategies are always questioned about how to outperform existing companies like Symantec and McAfee, most of which have disappeared through change or acquisition.
If customers are taken care of, everything will fall into place automatically. Customers want protection, confidence in suppliers and partners, and economical solutions without unnecessary spending. Delivering the best results at the best cost with easy experience is most important.
Customers always mention ease of deployment, with products that work simply. In a recent meeting about two companies merging, the choice was made based on extremely easy product distribution. Time required to achieve value is a very important factor.
Many people talk about job losses due to artificial intelligence, but the opposite has happened in terms of creating new job opportunities so far. Questions about what children should study and future jobs are common.
Every major technological shift over the past two centuries has created more opportunities and jobs, though different ones. This will be the case with AI. Programming will still need people to manage systems and think about structures - it is not just a matter of turning it on and forgetting.
Human creativity is essential. Cybersecurity is a great field to recommend to young people, especially university students. Understanding artificial intelligence and security means entering a constantly evolving field that is not actually a solvable problem.
Every seller wants to claim they have solved the security problem, but they have not. Risks need to be mitigated and the best solutions found to protect customers. Technologies that couldn't be imagined today will emerge within five years, and university students will be among those thinking about how to protect these technologies.
Cybersecurity, technology, and artificial intelligence represent a fascinating field for study and career development.
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