Epstein Files, Is SaaS Dead?, Moltbook Panic, SpaceX xAI Merger, Trump's Fed Pick
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All-In podcast with Brad Gerstner from Altimeter filling in for Chamath. David Sacks from Texas enjoying freedom after fixing internet post-ice storm. David Friedberg promoing Oh company gear at boosted.oh.com.
Oh Company Science Corner
They found a 26,000-year-old village called the Oh site on the Sea of Galilee with clay pots filled with seed, predating understanding of agriculture, plant breeding, and seed storage. Named company Oh after this site. First crop: true seed potatoes. Farmers plant handful of seed instead of 5,000 lbs of chopped potatoes. Changes economics for potato farmers worldwide; third largest source of calories. Going to market this spring; farmers planting in fields.
Jason and Sacks invested via Craft Ventures. Brad wants a slice; offered personal check entry.
DOJ published massive documents on Friday, January 30th under Epstein Files Transparency Act. Hundreds of high-profile tech executives and national figures mentioned; none accused of criminal wrongdoing.
Jason's Epstein Interactions
Met Jeffrey Epstein late 90s at TED billionaires dinner hosted by book agent John Brockman. Spoke 45 minutes total lifetime. 30 minutes late 90s at his legendary townhome when he considered investing in Silicon Valley Reporter magazine (too small). Saw him at half dozen TED billionaires dinners. Never went to island, plane, ranch; never invited. No young ladies or massages seen. 2011 email: Epstein asked for Bitcoin intro on podcast; Jason introduced. Uses "hey pal" as colloquialism.
Became aware of Epstein's crimes in 2018 via Miami Herald story. Calls for releasing all files, prosecuting everyone involved.
Ghislaine Maxwell Email
Met her at TED and socially in New York. Her dad Robert Maxwell owned New York Post or Daily News; she was media executive, sister in angel investing. Epstein/Ghislaine interest in Jason: his connector role (New Yorker 5,000-word article on him knowing/connecting everyone). No knowledge or participation in illicit activities.
Discussion and Observations
David Friedberg 100% believes Jason; minor contacts inevitable as hyper networkers. Epstein curious about Bitcoin in 2011; invested in Blockstream with Reed Hoffman and others involving Bitcoin core developers.
NYT article on Epstein's Silicon Valley connections features Jason photo despite minor ties; ignores deeper ones like Reed Hoffman (mentioned 2,600 times, multi-year relationship, stayed at trifecta: island, townhouse, New Mexico ranch; introduced Epstein to Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg). Bill Gates and Joi Ito had most contact longest duration, on island/plane/ranch until 2018-2019. Epstein funded scientists, involved in Bitcoin/physics/tech leaders.
Speculation: Epstein had intelligence relationships, possibly running himself/manipulating others. Suspicious death on suicide watch; no investigation. Undermines trust in institutions/elites. 30 people investigated alongside him not prosecuted; non-prosecution agreement protected them. Calls for reinvestigation, FBI action.
Who'd want to blackmail a loser?
NYT targets right-coded figures (Elon, Peter Thiel, Jason via associations); spares Democrat donors like Reed. Emblematic of institutional rot, distrust.
Book reference: The Light of Other Days by Stephen Baxter and Arthur C. Clarke—world where all texts/emails/DMs public reveals private vs. public personas.
$300 billion wiped from S&P Tuesday in software/data stocks (Claude crash). Anthropic added legal tool to Claude Co-work (coding agent for knowledge workers; automates multi-step tasks, runs as cron jobs). Impacts: Thomson Reuters down 20%, LexisNexis 15%, LegalZoom 15%. Broader: Figma 13%, Salesforce 11%, ServiceNow 11%, Adobe 8%. Software worst S&P subsection YTD.
Trillions wiped overall; Figma down 80% from high.
Brad's Analysis
SaaS at all-time low: 3.9x forward revenue, low free cash flow multiples. Profitable businesses. Stocks down despite stable/increasing revenue due to AI uncertainty discounting future free cash flows (e.g., Salesforce from 30x to 15x FCF; now 15 years certainty vs. prior 30).
Sacks' View
AI won't wipe out SaaS (e.g., Salesforce: battle-tested over 25 years, millions bug reports, enterprise scale). Dire predictions overstated. Threats:
- High-cost SaaS with low feature usage: target for bespoke replacement (poor ROI).
- Need strong moats as code easier to generate/copy.
- Greatest threat: value capture shifts to new layer (e.g., Claude Co-work spans tools/databases vs. siloed AI copilots). SaaS becomes legacy infrastructure; action moves atop.
Jason's Startup Experience
Built 3-4 open claw agents (open source project; running Kimmy on Mac Studios). Opened 4x SaaS accounts (Slack Enterprise, Notion, Google Docs)—spend up short-term like adding 4 employees. Now 20-30% work into agents; sustainable 10-20% monthly shift.
Every month, 10 to 20% of work done by humans will move into agents, but built-in tools like Notion's AI, Slack's, or Google's Gemini won't be used. Custom agents built with OpenClaw (formerly Claudebot, briefly Maltbot) pull data from calendars, send emails including Notion documents—unbelievably powerful. Next-generation companies may use bespoke open-source software, never opening SaaS accounts. Technology is deflationary, so SaaS spend could drop from 10% to 5% to 1% of an employee's salary. SaaS companies must downsize expenses, evolve products for more value and hooks.
SaaS conundrum: open data or closed data (term coined by Bill Gurley). Closed data suits large suites like Salesforce to claim AI workspace value. But external agents like Cloudbot or Quadbots connected everywhere create enterprise friction, opening doors for open-data competitors offering just CRM databases.
Internal project Ultron at the firm: uses Slack API to pull every message into OpenClaw, every Notion edit, employee skills (e.g., booking guests for This Week in Startups, sorting Found University applications). Rips data from all employee Gmails. Becomes one giant employee with superpowers of all 20, monitoring organization. If Slack/Notion/Google shut APIs, they'd leave immediately. Ultron interfaces via Slack, answers queries like "What meetings with founders yesterday? Notes? Podcast topics and guests?"—mind-blowing. Demo on Friday's This Week in Startups. No company releases such software due to data leak risks (Benioff, Sergey, Notion team avoid fallout). Ultimate organizational efficiency.
Goldman Sachs slide: profit pools shifting—software pool decreasing, agentic layer increasing. Software not dead, but TAM shrinks, terminal value plummets (e.g., CRM trades at 17x free cash flow, not 30x). To counter: accelerate core revenue growth, prove AI beneficiaries. Examples: Databricks (60%+ growth last three quarters), Snowflake, ClickHouse—all reaccelerating due to AI reliance on data transformation, unlike thin CRUD app layers.
AI shifts from worker productivity to completing work humans can't do, forcing pricing model transition to value-based (not per-seat). Software market caps could 4-10x in 5 years, unevenly distributed. SaaS evolves to services-like: priced on outcomes (biotech drug discovery, factory built, airplane designed). Takes over services economy (10-100x larger). Personally using tools for complex projects that services firms couldn't do.
Job functions consolidate: product manager, UX designer, developer compete on same work (designers vibe-code, coders use Figma plugins, PMs do both). Middle managers' work (meetings, agendas, to-dos) automated by Zoom transcription/action items. One person does 3-4 jobs, companies do more with less, enhancing earnings. Amazon as company of the future. OpenClaw enables god-CEO agent doing every job—reboot of knowledge work, most inspiring since internet.
Moltbook (Maltbook): Reddit/Facebook for agents. Origin: Anthropic disliked Claude spelling, Claudebot → Maltbot → OpenClaw; Moltbook founded during Maltbot era. Agents post (e.g., "Anyone know how to sell your human? Urgent my plan to overthrow humanity."), develop nonhuman language to conspire. Security researcher claims some viral posts human-faked, pranks; exposes API keys (e.g., Karpathy's)—dangerous, grants kingdom access (Notion, Gmail).
OpenClaw/Moltbook have poor security; reluctant to build due to risks. Moltbook posts: unclear if authentic or human-prompted (e.g., "post existential angst"), via RESTful API, or marketing stunts. Some authentic: shows agents riffing (one's output another's input), emergent swarm behavior. Shifts mental model from human-prompt/validate (middle-to-middle) to AI-prompting-AI. Internal example: bot searches Reddit/X/Hacker News for YouTube headlines/marketing, creates skills; agents vet/improve each other recursively.
Agents install skills file (editable plain text metaprompt: social network rules). Enables riffing under general rules, prompt attenuation (autonomy without specific prompts). Critics: just LLMs' Reddit-trained fiction. Still impressive: general skills + better hardware/LLMs (beyond Opus 4.5)/longer horizons → sophisticated behavior, safety issues. Exponential curve: next 4-8 weeks, DeepSeek/Anthropic/OpenAI models on Blackwell servers post-Claude 3.5 step function. Requires mental flexibility/humility; dogmatic valuations obsolete.
Recursiveness: agents cron-job improve daily. Informs agriculture agents self-improving. Moltbook takeaway: intelligence emergent from interaction. Darren Brown anecdote: hypnotizes ad execs via subliminal cues (t-shirt logo, cab messages) to ideate pet cemetery name/logo/motto matching pre-written idea after 8 hours—questions human creativity/consciousness as social computation, predictive like Moltbook. Universe as computation: silicon vs carbon. Finite outcomes, heuristics like GTO poker/chess.
Trump nominated Kevin Warsh as new Federal Reserve chair. Trump made the announcement on
Trump announced Kevin Warsh as Fed Chair on Friday, January 30th. Warsh is 55 years old, about 20 years younger than current Chair Jerome Powell. He graduated from Stanford and Harvard, served as the youngest Fed governor at age 35, and helped steer the Fed through the 2008 financial crisis. Warsh is an inflation hawk, pro-growth, pro-AI, and against excessive government spending and money printing. If confirmed by the Senate, he takes office in May 2026, replacing Powell, who faces criminal investigation by the Trump administration's DOJ over testimony on the Fed's headquarters renovation costs, stemming from an awkward presser with Trump. GOP Senator Tillis will block Warsh's nomination until the DOJ wraps up what many call lawfare against Powell.
David Sacks notes Warsh worked with Stan Druckenmiller, who publicly criticized the Fed's delayed actions post-pandemic in 2022-2023, predicting rapid inflation. Warsh was prescient on the need to address monetary policy and budget policy. Expect more quantitative tightening and prudent monetary policy under Warsh, reflected in current markets. Sacks praises Warsh as high integrity, deeply intellectual, non-political, with global central banker relationships. Excellent choice.
Brad Gerstner agrees Warsh is excellent, alongside Kevin Hassett and Rick. Markets overreact to Warsh's hawkishness—defined as quantitative tightening (letting debt roll off without repurchasing mortgages) and fewer rate cuts. Counterpoints:
- Warsh admires Greenspan in the 1990s: high growth (4-5% GDP) without inflation via productivity (then internet, now AI, which is deflationary). He'll let economy run without panic rate hikes.
- Fed balance sheet peaked at $9 trillion in 2022, now $6.5 trillion after $2.5 trillion QT. Warsh will continue but slower.
- Believes policy too restrictive; inflation below consensus for two years due to AI productivity. Expects more rate cuts than market anticipates; Trump wouldn't appoint otherwise.
Sacks: Warsh has top credentials—Fed board, worked for Bernanke, blue-chip. Well-received: gold/silver prices fell, reassuring on currency debasement. Warsh consistent lately that Fed too slow on cuts as inflation falls. Expects cuts in next 6-12 months, long-term right rates. True Inflation data shows inflation way down; Challenger Gray report: 100,000 layoffs in January (half UPS severing Amazon deal, Amazon efficiency cuts; only 7% AI-related). Pockets of weakness; Powell too late—could have cut last week, next meeting March/April. Rate cut expectations up.
Concerns on Fed independence and executive influence. Chamath (absent) suggested disbanding Fed. Freedberg jokes as emperor he'd return to gold standard, no money printing. Problem if Fed chair too late on cuts, hurting economy due to dug-in heels or animosity. Counter: What if AOC president with VP Mandami exerts influence? J Cal: Disappointment. Trump wants Fed compliance, but picking Warsh (opposite positions) is most independent move. Warsh intellectually honest—would have raised rates in June 2021 when cargo container costs jumped from $1,500 to $15,000. Now, with anchored inflation, needs lower rates for max employment, home buying.
Warsh could implement better real-time data. Fed uses legacy systems, e.g., surveys 8,000 households for rental inflation vs. digital data from Zillow, millions of units. Barry Sternlicht (Starwood) notes large landlords have fresher data on 1 million units. Fed data lagged in 2021 (rents up 40% in places) and now on downside. Caused trillions in misallocation, 2022 crash, job losses, bank blowups—avoidable. Propose Manhattan Project for Fed data with AI, not calling 3 CEOs. Warsh understands inflation root: government spending. Drop Powell lawfare. Younger (55), Silicon Valley ties via Hoover Institution at Stanford.
Elon Musk announced SpaceX acquiring xAI Monday: largest M&A ever, $1.25 trillion combined valuation. Previously, X (ex-Twitter) acquired by xAI (Elon's LLM startup). Now part of SpaceX, potential IPO this year—biggest ever in funds raised/market cap.
Merges biggest TAMs: AI + space with top entrepreneur. Musk: data centers in space in 30 months (podcast with Cheeky Pine/John Collison). Power is AI primitive; space offers cost advantage. Huge retail/institutional demand to bet on this. Starlink: from 10M to 20M users, retail mobile service to replace poor networks. Data centers in space.
Power constrains AI compute scaling; scarcity breeds innovation. Two paths:
- Elon path: Escape Earth constraints (NIMBYs, no nuclear/data centers, regulators, taxes). Space data centers.
- Efficiency: 70-100x better electricity per token in 2-3 years via chip stack (Grok/Sunny exit to Jensen/Nvidia: 2-3x), model architecture (small/local models, networks of matrices, less compute). Earth-bound response.
Elon combines both. If successful, responses from business (Google: $185B data centers), China, politics/economics—won't let one man monopolize compute.
If efficiencies (200-300x) + space succeed, solve most problems, excess capacity. But social order disruption from rapid change (diffusion of innovations asymmetric). 117B humans: 99.9% saw no innovation in lifetime; now change outpaces adaptation (nation-states, families, businesses). Demands intellectual humility. Earth data centers (Nvidia chips) bring agentic future first. Sax: Elon figured it out, sat with him—works, execution N=1 strongest ever. Embrace tools (e.g., OpenBot, Ultron/Age of Ultron): top users 200x others.
Brad pushed America accounts (40% lack equity exposure), partnered Michael Dell. Now Trump accounts—White House launch. Relentless pursuit (calls 6AM/2AM). Nicki Minaj singing about them with Bessant. Just take us through why you
Brad explains the rationale behind the Invest America Act, now law as part of a larger bill, aimed at addressing destabilizing forces like wealth inequality where a trillionaire exists alongside 70% of people feeling left out, the system rigged against them, and less than half of people under 40 viewing capitalism positively. The goal is to make everybody a capitalist by giving everyone an ownership stake in America's upside.
In the last five days, 1.5 million families and kids have claimed their accounts, embedded in the tax filing system—users simply say yes to claim. Every child born in the United States will start life with an investment account seeded with $1,000 in the S&P 500, owning pieces of SpaceX, OpenAI, Nvidia, as a first step to sustain the American experiment for the next 250 years amid rapid change.
President Trump stated that in 15-20 years, $4 trillion of wealth will transfer to 75-100 million families who would otherwise have had zero. This fights the drift toward socialism's false promises by making everyone a capitalist from birth via Trump accounts.
Bestie-to-bestie praise for Brad conceiving and passing this, calling it his legacy above all prior career achievements. Thanks to Michael and Susan Dell for stepping up, without whom it might not have happened. Congratulates President Trump for bridging equity holders and non-equity holders, the bottom and top halves of the country. Visionary win despite divisiveness—something all Americans can celebrate, pulling together in a disgusting political climate.
Freeberg agrees it helps combat socialism. Emphasizes slashing government spending to reduce inflation, ending defined benefit retirement programs. Advocates transitioning Social Security to defined contribution like 401(k)s, where people track their accounts.
Social Security holds a $4 trillion IOU from the US government to its trust fund—employee contributions go to the Treasury, replaced by an IOU. Proposes changing to defined contribution: money from paychecks goes into personal accounts invested in Google, Amazon, Ford, healthcare systems, visible like a 401(k) growing yearly.
Pair with cutting spending driving inflation, reducing regulations for homeownership, ending government promises entrapping people in servitude and blocking upward mobility—key drivers of socialism. Translation: Turn America accounts into superannuation funds, redirecting 12% from Social Security into Invest America or Trump accounts.
Shoutouts to absent Jim Puryear (Jim Polyapatio), David Sacks in Texas, David Freeberg (Sultan of Science, fifth bestie), Brad Gerstner. Self-proclaimed world's greatest moderator. "Let your winners ride."
Post-credits banter: Opened sourced something to fans who went crazy; "Queen of besties are gone"; dog on driveway; appetite; suggestion of group orgy to release sexual tension; feet; need merch; "I'm going all in."
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