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Start Here If Your Mind Doesn't Cooperate, BUT You Want MORE | Tony Robbins

Jay Shetty PodcastJuly 27, 202624m
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Tony Robbins explains that people stay stuck because they try to meet their needs for certainty and significance while avoiding the uncertainty required for growth and love. Real change demands immersion and persistence rather than waiting for enough pain to force action. The core skill is managing your own mind and emotions, and the current "winter" period of global uncertainty is actually the ideal time to build strength and add value so you're positioned for the coming spring.

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People often wait to experience pain before deciding to change a part of their lives or make different choices. This question burned in Tony Robbins while traveling around the earth working with people from every walk of life across 100 plus countries. He observed the same problems appearing even in different cultures.

Robbins became obsessed with identifying the common human experience across cultures and beliefs. He identified six human needs that he has used ever since to understand human behavior. The first need is certainty - the base human need to avoid pain and be comfortable, which is a survival need because continuous pain equals continuous damage, which equals death. Most people live in this basic need and do not grow.

The second need is uncertainty or variety. Ironically, if you are certain all the time, you get bored out of your mind. If you are completely uncertain, you get freaked out. The balance is not about choosing one over the other, but the ability to use both and enter both worlds.

The third need is significance, which has become a big part of culture today thanks to social media. This is the need to feel special, unique, and important. It can be a very positive emotion or need, or very negative depending upon how it is used and directed.

The fourth need is connection and love, which everybody has. These four needs are ones that everybody finds a way to meet. If you have to lie to yourself or work 20-hour days, you are going to find certainty somehow. You are going to find variety. You are going to find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Some people do it by working harder. You are going to find some level of at least connection if not love.

The final two needs are what make people feel alive. These are growth and contribution. Everything in the universe grows or dies. Everything in the universe contributes or is eventually eliminated by evolution. These are the spiritual needs where you get beyond yourself.

The majority of people do not take moves because of fear, and fear is just uncertainty. When Robbins works with big audiences of 15,000 to 20,000 people, he has them do exercises to understand what triggers them to be certain or uncertain, what triggers them to have variety, and so forth. They understand that everything they do is to meet these needs.

When he asks people what their top two needs are (not what they think they should be or want them to be), 90% of people in our culture identify certainty and significance, or significance and certainty. Even though they really want love. They have this route where if they can be successful enough, then they will be worthy of it, or if they can just control it enough. But you cannot control love.

Most people are trying to meet their needs in a backwards way. Fear and uncertainty keep most people from growing until they get enough pain, and then that pushes them through a threshold where their needs are not being met, and they have to change. Unfortunately, most people wait until they have enough pain.

If you want to change but are not changing, it is because some of your needs are met by what you are doing, and some of them are not. That is why you are in that push-pull, but you do not usually do enough until you are pushed over the edge.

Using smoking as an example, a cigarette gives people comfort because taking a breath of cigarette involves taking a nice slow deep breath in and out, which calms the nervous system. It is something they are comfortable with. It provides variety if they are all stressed out and then start to breathe differently. For some people, they originally did it for significance, thinking they were cool for smoking.

Today it is not really that cool to most people, but for some generations and some places it is. Some people see it as a connection with themselves. But if someone is now in a relationship with somebody who does not smoke, and they really love them and want their total love and attention, but the other person is completely disgusted by cigarettes, then their needs for love are really strong and their need for comfort is really strong, creating a push-pull. Some people make the shift, some people do not.

The ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably one of the single most important skills. The second is the ability to influence others, because that makes you a leader. Hopefully you are doing that for a higher good. Most people are just not as happy as they could be.

Robbins interviewed 50 of the smartest financial people in the world for his book Money Master the Game, including Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, and Warren Buffett. Out of those 50, in his judgment, only four or five are really happy people. Money has nothing to do with it. Money makes you more of what you are, it just magnifies. If you are mean, you have more to be mean with. If you are kind, you have more to give.

Most people have not learned to manage what is going on inside. It does not matter how much abundance they have, they are still unhappy. We have seen great comedians who killed themselves. Anthony Bourdain traveled the world and killed himself. Fashion designers like Kate Spade had everything except they did not master what was going on in their mind and emotions.

This is why the power of the mind is so important. Placebos were only discovered in World War II by accident. A doctor ran out of morphine while treating badly injured people. A nurse handed him a syringe and said they had more morphine. The doctor believed it and told the patients they would be out of pain in less than a minute. He injected them with saline, and in every case, none went into shock. 90% of them were out of pain.

After World War II, he went back to Harvard and created what we now consider to be the double-blind studies, which are always compared to a placebo. The bigger the placebo intervention, the more powerful the mind believes it. A small pill is less effective than a big pill. An injection is more powerful than a pill. The most powerful is a sham surgery.

The Veterans Administration did a study on knee surgeries where they took one-third of the people and just cut them open, anesthetized them, and sewed them back up, doing nothing. A year later, this group that had no surgery had the least amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility. They stopped funding those surgeries.

Harvard did a study where they took barbiturates, made big red pills, and said this was an amphetamine and the body needed to speed up. They gave an actual drug that slows the body down, and the body sped up. Most people do not understand the power of the mind.

There is no replacement for persistence. Disappointment either destroys you or drives you. You have to decide which one it is going to be. If you do not consciously decide, there is always going to be more BS to deal with.

A belief is a poor substitute for an experience. Transformation requires immersion. If you ask the average person if they studied a foreign language in school, most people say yes from high school or college, but they cannot speak it. But if you took them to Rome and dumped them off for six weeks with no teacher, they would come back speaking Italian. Most people do not do immersion. They read a little bit, listen a little bit, dip in and out. They do not go day and night, night and day in total immersion.

If you want to master something, you need to push through your fears. In the end, that is the only thing that stops you. Everybody has a story about what they do not have. But if you are resourceful, you can get the money, the time, the energy, anything you want. You have to get over your fear to be resourceful.

The best advice Robbins ever received came from Jim Rohn, whom he met when he was 17. He wanted to know why all his fathers were broke even though they were good men. Rohn said we are all equal as souls, but we are not equal in the marketplace. You need to become more valuable if you want to have economic freedom. You have to work on yourself more than anything else, and work on it in a way where there is something you can do for others better than anyone else, or at least at better quality.

Rohn gave the example of working at McDonald's making $5 an hour versus hedge fund guys making a billion dollars. The hedge fund guy provided a 40% return that went to nonprofits, meaning those organizations doubled their money almost every two years. He was adding massive value. The McDonald's job is something anyone can learn in 20 minutes or half a day. It is all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world? That stuck with Robbins. He decided he wanted to do more for others than anybody in the world, and he had to acquire certain skills to do that.

The worst piece of advice is any advice that tells you to give up. Anything that you persist in long enough, you can find the answer to. The first piece of advice you get on your health is not always the right piece of advice.

The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017 where they took 286 patients with various diagnoses. They took the first diagnosis and then had a second doctor do a diagnosis. Only 12% of the time did they match. That means 88% of the time, the first and second diagnoses were different. The Mayo Clinic says you should always get a second opinion, and they believe getting a second, even a third one, refines the diagnosis and makes it better because everyone is working through their perceptions.

Medicine is not black and white, right or wrong. It is an art. That is why the standard of care does not always get the result people want. Breakthrough doctors beyond the standard of care have been attacked. Dr. June created CAR-T cells, and ten years later Nature published that they are calling it a cure for the first time for liquid cancers like leukemia. There is more than one opinion, and you do not give up too easily.

This applies to life too. If it is about your health, your relationship, raising your children, or your spiritual development, people should be your coach, not your commander. Get lots of input and you decide, because they could be sincere and be sincerely wrong. If you are wrong, at least you learn from your own experience.

Fame is something Robbins thinks the majority of people value but he does not. It is easy when you have something to say everyone wants it, but when you experience it, it is different. He would not say he devalues it. He still appreciates it as a privilege. He can walk in a room and have people he has a connection with, but it has been more based on his contribution to them than just being famous per se.

All of his friends in the movie business get upset when people come up and do not even know what they are, they just want something from them. For Robbins, it is a privilege if somebody can be lit up by your presence. He was never pursuing fame. He certainly wanted financial freedom because he grew up without it for his family, but he was never looking to be wealthy. He is fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom now.

He has worked with people who have billions of dollars and they are miserable. He has worked with billionaires who take their own life. What matters is where your emotional home is. Where do you live emotionally? If you are worth a billion dollars and every day you are pissed off and frustrated, your life is pissed off and frustrated. If you have three beautiful children, a beautiful husband or wife, and all this love in your life, but you are worried all the time, you do not feel the love. The thing to value is the emotional home, and making it the richest place possible inside. That is the only thing you can control.

If Robbins could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, it would be love. Fear is the disease of humanity that messes us up, and selfishness is really the disease. The cure is love. You cannot mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life.

The book Robbins mentioned is called The Fourth Turning. It came out in the early 1990s. The conceit of the book is that there are seasons in history. What gives somebody power in any context is three things: pattern recognition, the ability to use patterns, and when you recognize and use enough patterns, you start to create them.

In this book, you start to see that humanity changed when we recognized the pattern of the seasons. As soon as we understood seasons, we did not have to wander through the desert searching for things. We could stay, we could grow crops. We found out if you plant in the winter, it does not matter how hard you work, nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant, when you know how to do the right thing at the right time, then humanity grew into communities and cities and states.

We also have seasons of our life. In traditional Indian philosophies, we can look at four stages. The first 20 years of your life, roughly, you are primarily learning and taking things in. From 20 to 40 is springtime, summer. You are figuring out who you are. They told you all this stuff and now you test it. Do you really believe that? Does it really work? You now have real relationships. You think you are invincible, maybe you are not. You are going to discover. 20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life.

If you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time. It is like the fall and the autumn, and things come together, things go great. From 60 to 80, and maybe 80 on if you have an extended winter, that is the winter time where you get to be kind of an elder. Everyone is going to hit winter if they live long enough. Some people experience winter in the 0 to 20 stage. Some people in 20 to 40. When you experience it, it shapes your life a lot.

Millennials are often labeled as "snowflakes" who cannot handle challenges, though this exists across every generation. The generation born in 1910 came of age during the Roaring Twenties, a period of abundance with new technology, cars, and parties following World War I.

At 19 years old in 1929, this generation faced the Great Depression with people jumping out of buildings, the Dust Bowl, and widespread job losses. They were called "flappers" and viewed as irresponsible partyers with no concern for responsibility. They endured 10 years of depression before reaching age 29 in 1939 when World War II began.

Hitler was winning initially with countries dropping, and London was being bombed. The outlook appeared dark with no certainty of victory. Those who survived the war came back as heroes after fighting and winning.

The period from ages 20 to 40 for this generation was horrendous but created tremendous strength. Following World War II in the late 1940s through the 1950s and early 1960s until Kennedy's assassination, an 18-20 year period of prosperity and growth emerged.

Historical patterns show recurring cycles: springtime (prosperity), summer (internal conflict), fall (financial flow and stock market rises), and winter. These patterns repeat through 1,000 years of Roman history and every 1,800 years in broader historical cycles.

The current winter period began around 2008 and is expected to continue for another seven to eight years. During winter, the external world undergoes reformation with different country relationships, a new reserve currency established, and the United States becoming the dominant force.

Current winter conditions include challenges with China, Russia and Ukraine conflicts, global warming concerns about planetary survival, and internal turmoil within most countries including the United States. The external world is being reformed with different international relationships.

No pandemic has lasted forever, and no war has lasted forever. Winter does not last forever, and springtime follows. The goal during winter is to get strong rather than fold. Being strong during this season in business and life makes springtime manageable.

65% of Fortune 1000 companies were founded during winter periods of depression or recession. Examples include Exxon, Disney (founded during depressions), Pizza Hut, Federal Express (founded during recessions), Apple, and Microsoft (founded during recessions).

Companies that perform well during winter periods tend to succeed long-term. The current winter presents an opportunity to learn, grow, expand, and spend time with family rather than viewing the season as permanent.

The book "Generations" contains approximately 550 pages of Anglo-American history demonstrating how each generation affects historical patterns. The book reveals that patterns exist in history and current conditions are not permanent.

The message emphasizes using current circumstances rather than panicking about the world's end, recognizing that dark nights of winter and dark nights of the soul are temporary phases that pass.

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