What Humans, Animals and Plants Tell Us About Consciousness | Michael Pollan
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Michael Pollan argues that consciousness likely exists as a field independent of brains, with neural tissue acting as a receiver rather than a generator of subjective experience. Plants exhibit sophisticated sensory capabilities and respond to human anesthetics, suggesting sentience may be universal across life forms rather than limited to complex nervous systems. The conversation reframes humans, animals, and plants as active evolutionary participants manipulating each other through biochemical and behavioral strategies, with psychedelics providing evidence that ego dissolution and collective consciousness are achievable states that challenge materialist assumptions about mind.
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Michael Pollan discusses his experience studying consciousness and concludes that humanity lacks understanding of how brain matter generates consciousness. He presents the alternative theory that brains might function as receivers or channels for consciousness, analogous to how a television receiver does not contain the weather reporter within the set itself. This perspective challenges the assumption that consciousness is necessarily an emergent property of brain complexity.
Andrew Huberman introduces Michael Pollan as the author of landmark books including How to Change Your Mind about psychedelics, The Botany of Desire about human-plant co-evolution, The Omnivore's Dilemma about food and nutrition, and most recently A World Appears: A Journey into Consciousness. Pollan is described as one of the most learned and thoughtful writers on topics concerning human experience.
Huberman notes that neuroscientists were historically discouraged from studying consciousness, viewing it as professionally damaging. Only established researchers with prizes and stature could address the topic without career risk. Pollan acknowledges he nearly suffered professionally for engaging with this difficult subject.
Consciousness presents a unique epistemological problem: it is the only phenomenon known with certainty, as all other knowledge derives through it. Defining consciousness proves difficult, though subjective experience serves as a basic operational definition. Thomas Nagel's 1970s essay "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" provides another framework: if there is something it is like to be a particular organism, then that organism possesses consciousness.
Pollan distinguishes between sentience as the ground floor of consciousness involving environmental awareness and recognition of positive or negative changes, versus consciousness as the elaborated human form including self-reflection, metacognition, and emotion. Sentience may be universal across life forms, potentially present in plants and single-celled organisms as an adaptive response to unpredictable environments.
Plants demonstrate sophisticated environmental responsiveness including navigation through mazes toward nutrients, reaction to caterpillar feeding sounds by producing defensive chemicals, and response to water sounds by directing root growth. Plants possess approximately twenty distinct senses compared to human five or six, including gravity detection, pH sensing, and nutrient gradient detection.
Plants respond to the same anesthetic gases used on humans. Venus flytraps placed under xenon gas fail to close when insects cross their threshold. This raises questions about what plants lose during anesthesia, though Pollan prefers the term "sentience" rather than consciousness when describing plant states.
Self versus other recognition operates as a fundamental rule across biological scales. Nerve cells follow simple rules of growth and self-avoidance to create complex architectures. Tree roots similarly distinguish between related and unrelated plants, sharing soil with genetic relatives while competing with non-relatives. Self-shading plants do not grow toward their own shade, demonstrating self-recognition.
Consciousness can exist without organized selfhood. Meditators and psychedelic experiences demonstrate consciousness without self. The brief period upon waking before self-reconstitution represents a state of consciousness without self-identification, lasting approximately 500 milliseconds under normal conditions or 750 milliseconds in unfamiliar environments such as hotel rooms.
Plant medicines and jungle pharmacology suggest possible interspecies communication. Most pharmaceutical drugs derive from compounds originally isolated from jungle plants. Gardeners report relationships with plants that extend beyond mechanical cultivation, including perceived energetic exchanges during planting and tending activities.
Pollan describes a psilocybin experience of perceiving garden plants as conscious and aware, returning his gaze with apparent benevolence. William James provides a framework for evaluating such insights: assess whether they prove useful pragmatically, and treat them as hypotheses requiring verification through other methods of knowing including scientific investigation.
Domesticated plants manipulate humans through evolutionary processes rather than individual plant agency. Corn achieved global dominance by producing traits humans selected for propagation. Cannabis spread globally through production of THC, which appealed to human biochemistry. These represent symbiotic relationships where plants function as biochemical specialists due to their sessile nature preventing physical escape from threats.
Plants are cesile organisms, meaning they're rooted and cannot move around like animals. Instead of developing mobility and consciousness like animals, plants have evolved an incredible suite of chemicals. Some of these chemicals happen to change human consciousness, representing one of the most successful evolutionary strategies. Coffee and tea exemplify this approach, though these chemicals were not originally developed for human consumption—they likely served as defense chemicals against insects and other threats.
What's notable about these plant defense chemicals is that they don't kill outright. While caffeine might kill some insects, plants evolved a strategy of altering consciousness rather than killing, as killing would quickly select for resistant members of the species. This represents a more sophisticated evolutionary approach than outright lethality.
The catnip plant demonstrates this consciousness-altering strategy brilliantly. When cats consume catnip, they become so affected that they forget the plant's location, which serves as an effective defense mechanism. Many plant psychoactive chemicals also diminish appetite, representing another intelligent strategy for reducing predation pressure.
Plants should be viewed as active players in evolutionary dynamics rather than passive organisms. This perspective was explored in the book Botany of Desire, which examined how plants have mastered human desires as an evolutionary strategy—including desires for beauty (flowers), consciousness alteration, and food. This represents an evolutionary partnership where plants have effectively "gotten us" to serve their reproductive and survival needs.
Evolution operates according to simple rules: try not to die, live long enough to proliferate, and ensure young survive. Plants don't engage in conscious planning or backroom conversations about their strategies, but rather try different approaches, with successful variations proliferating. The example of dogs descending from wolves illustrates this—wolves that were patient and kind enough to receive food scraps eventually led to domestication and the expansion of dog breeds, representing a successful evolutionary strategy for both species.
Modern dogs serve primarily as family members rather than working animals, indicating that dogs have successfully figured out how to integrate into human social structures. This represents a significant evolutionary achievement, with domestic dogs far outnumbering wolves (approximately 50,000 wolves remain in the United States compared to vastly larger dog populations).
Plants likely don't realize they're manipulating consciousness—they follow rules scripted into their genome. This raises questions about whether consciousness requires self-awareness of one's actions. Dogs and plants don't typically know what happens to their offspring once separated, whereas humans possess unique abilities to imagine futures they're not in and engage in mental time travel beyond immediate needs.
Human brains perform extensive unconscious monitoring, including reading interoceptive signals from the body and processing environmental information without conscious awareness. The evolutionary utility of consciousness may stem from humans being fundamentally social beings living in complex environments that cannot be fully programmed in advance. The ability to read others' minds and predict behavior requires theory of mind or imagination.
Biologist Michael Levin creates organoids and demonstrates that behaviors exist that aren't dictated by genes. Evolution creates cognitive beings skilled at solving novel problems. Memory can reside outside neurons, as evidenced by the immune system's memory capabilities. Bioelectric fields can hold memories in groups of cells.
Xenobots created from tadpole skin cells form new organisms that repurpose their cilia for locomotion and can be conditioned to navigate mazes. These behaviors occur without genetic encoding of the specific instructions, demonstrating that intelligent behavior can emerge from organisms with sufficient cognitive tools to navigate unfamiliar environments.
Cesar Millan described how people growing up in poor rural environments develop incredible instincts about safety and danger due to high stakes and limited resources. Children in such environments learn to identify safe harbors in people and can sense others effectively, contrasting with more affluent societies that provide buffers against such direct environmental pressures.
The expansion of human prefrontal cortex enables strategic thinking, context understanding, integration, and imagination. However, concerns arise about whether this cognitive capacity leads to over-investment in human importance and meaning-making. The microbiome influences behavior, energy levels, sociability, and mood through chemicals affecting brain health. Microbiota transfer occurs through physical contact like handshakes, kisses, and shared objects.
Bacteria have existed far longer than humans and may influence human behavior to promote social interaction and global spread. However, humans also manipulate bacteria by outsourcing metabolite production including glutamate, GABA, serotonin, and short-chain fatty acids that fuel the brain and reduce anxiety. This represents a bidirectional manipulation where both parties benefit from the relationship.
Part of prefrontal cortex function involves assigning meaning to experiences and memories. Different species likely vary in their capacity for this meaning-making. The ventromedial hypothalamus contains neurons involved in aggression and social behavior that appear conserved across species including mice, humans, and lions.
Lions demonstrate dynamic social consciousness when individuals shift from intra-species aggression to cooperative defense against external threats like hyenas. This illustrates how the same neural circuitry can be repurposed based on redefined social boundaries—the "us" becomes plural when facing external danger.
Until recently, consciousness was considered an exclusively human achievement, with Descartes establishing this monopoly view. The first mirror test on chimpanzees occurred around 1970, marking the beginning of recognizing consciousness in other primates. For decades, consciousness was assumed to be a cortical phenomenon.
Research by Antonio Damasio and Mark Solms suggests consciousness originates with feeling in the brain stem rather than thought in the cortex. The brain exists primarily to keep the body alive, with feelings like hunger, warmth, cold, and itch registering in the upper brain stem. The cortex interprets these homeostatic feelings afterward, helping visualize solutions or actions.
Feelings must be felt, implying consciousness, and have different status than thoughts—they're somatic and reinforced by having a body. This theory suggests many more animals possess consciousness since brain stems are widespread across species, while cortices represent a more exclusive characteristic. Pain represents a conscious phenomenon that doesn't require a cortex, as evidenced by children born without one and decorticated animals showing behavioral evidence of conscious experience.
People experience the world differently at the emotional level, with some experiencing things more somatically. Cultures with more words for emotional states, such as Japan's specific term for sadness from a bad haircut, help people avoid global statements like "I'm depressed" when experiencing specific emotional states. Parents teach children to distinguish between hunger and tiredness during emotional meltdowns, demonstrating how culture interacts with biology through language and interpretation of sensations.
The body sends signals to the brain, but the brain lacks the cortical equipment to interpret these signals fully. The question arises whether signals from the body are crude or refined. The nerve networks connecting body and brain are as precise and sophisticated as any other neural pathways. The fundamental problem is the lack of language to describe these bodily communications. Language labels like "joy" or "happy" work for extreme emotional states, but fail to capture day-to-day bodily experiences that exist between pain and rapture.
All speech consists of shaped exhales. This insight comes from Eddie Chang, chair of neurosurgery at UCSF, who studies speech and language. Words are merely shaped exhales, yet humans have developed sophisticated systems from these basic components. The body lacks equivalent language for its communications with the brain.
The vagus nerve connects visceral organs to the brain, with approximately 80% of traffic flowing from body to brain rather than the reverse direction. Stress hormones released through inflammation reach the brain and alter mood, creating feelings of threat. The signals may operate on longer time scales than immediate sensations, integrating information across organs like the spleen, stomach, heart, liver, and pancreas over periods of hours.
Historical perspectives located emotions in organs including the spleen, liver, and heart. An experiment on moral judgment and disgust involved two groups: one receiving a placebo and another receiving powdered ginger. Participants exposed to morally repellent scenarios (incest, eating one's dog) showed that those who took ginger were less judgmental because ginger calms the stomach. This demonstrates that moral disgust passes through digestive organs and can be manipulated through simple interventions like ginger consumption.
Physical pain, such as a back strain, reduces patience and alters worldview. People become more self-centric when experiencing pain, while feeling good facilitates allocating resources to external concerns. This connects to broader discussions of psychedelics and collective consciousness.
The term "collective consciousness" previously carried associations with "one love" concepts that failed to produce lasting peace between humans and animals. A redefined understanding requires acknowledging self-interest as fundamental to human nature. People are self-interested until their own needs are met, at which point they can care for others. The challenge lies in creating collective consciousness that embraces individual self-interest while enabling cooperation, rather than pursuing unattainable "one love" ideals.
Psychedelics can diminish ego and contribute to pro-social feelings and connection, though results vary. Some individuals experience ego dissolution while others experience ego inflation. High-dose psychedelics commonly produce a sense of losing self-identity.
During a high-dose psilocybin experience, the self was perceived as exploding into a cloud of blue post-it notes that coalesced into a pool of blue paint. This occurred from an objective perspective characterized by equanimity. The ego functions as a defensive structure, and when removed, individuals merge with larger entities such as divinity, the universe, love, other people, or in this case, Bach's cello suite. The experience eliminated subject-object distinctions, creating complete identification with the music.
The lasting effect of ego dissolution is increased perspective on ego functioning. Recognition occurs when the ego engages in criticism, aggression, or self-interest, allowing identification of these patterns as "ego" rather than the complete self. Alternative paths to ego transcendence include meditation and experiences of awe.
Derk Keltner at Berkeley conducted research where participants drew stick figures of themselves before and after awe-inducing experiences like river rafting. Post-awe drawings showed participants represented at approximately one-third their original size, indicating diminished sense of self in a positive manner.
Society celebrates ego through emphasis on self-confidence and self-assurance while simultaneously valuing experiences that escape self, including sex, awe, and religious experiences. The ego serves necessary functions, such as enabling completion of long-term projects like writing books, but also creates distance from others and promotes selfishness.
Consciousness may exist as a field outside individual brains, with brains functioning as receivers rather than generators. This perspective parallels electromagnetic wave transmission where receivers capture signals without containing the source. Panpsychism proposes that particles possess minimal consciousness that combines in conscious beings. These theories remain viable because the presumption that consciousness emerges from brain complexity lacks strong empirical support.
Christof Koch, previously a physicalist and materialist who headed the Allen Brain Institute, publicly shared his experience with ayahuasca that convinced him consciousness exists outside brains. This represents a significant shift for a scientist of his background.
Filter theories propose that consciousness exists externally and brains filter rather than generate it. Henri Bergson and Aldous Huxley advocated this view, with Huxley describing psychedelics as providing access to this field. Huxley proposed that a "reducing valve" admits only the minimal consciousness required for survival, preventing overwhelming sensory input.
Recent discoveries include the interstitium, a thin sheet running through the body that acupuncturists have referenced for extended periods. Harvard Medical School's work validates acupuncture's effects on inflammation at specific sites. Historical precedent exists for discovering invisible fields capable of conveying information, as occurred with electromagnetic fields approximately 120-150 years ago.
Consciousness may not be singular, similar to how vitalism and phlogiston theories attempted to explain life through single concepts. Breaking consciousness into components—ego, emotion, self-reflection—may advance understanding. AI development, particularly chatbots acting on apparent self-interest, raises questions about whether ego can exist without consciousness.
Consciousness may originate from feelings rather than computation, and feelings depend on having a vulnerable body and mortality. Computers are unlikely to have feelings, and a computer simulation of a feeling is fundamentally different from a simulation of a thought, which can be as good as a real thought. If conscious AI were successfully created, it would discount the feeling-based theory of consciousness. The idea that silicon computers could be conscious is based on a faulty metaphor of the brain as a computer. Brains do perform some computations, but the distinction between hardware and software that exists in computers does not apply to brains. Neurons are not simply on or off like transistors—they are affected by chemicals and oscillations.
The price of metaphor is eternal vigilance. — Norbert Wiener
The metaphor of the brain as a computer is not being treated with sufficient vigilance, and it falls apart under scrutiny. Computers are clearly not brains because brains create memories in one or two structures and then export them to other areas, whereas computers have centralized memory. Distributed memory does not exist in most computers. Memory also makes a physical change in the brain—each person's brain is physically different because it was pruned differently due to life experiences. A computer with constantly changing hardware would be useless.
Two labs—Susumu Tonegawa's at MIT and Mark Mayford's at Scripps—conducted experiments using animal models where neurons activated during learning could be captured and then replayed. When neurons fired in the exact same sequence, the same behavior was reproduced. However, playing those neurons backwards or all at once produced the exact same behavior. This challenges the notion that temporal ordering of neuronal firing is necessary for memory expression.
The experiments showed that the idea of specific sequences of neuron firing being critical for memories was disproven. Each neuron participates in multiple memories, providing resource allocation and redundancy, but this reveals fundamental gaps in understanding how the brain encodes experiences.
Quantum effects may explain consciousness through simultaneity rather than linear sequential processing. Quantum computers solve problems all at once rather than one way after another. Quantum mechanics has provided explanations for phenomena like entanglement, where two particles separated by light years can affect one another. Non-locality and realism have been discarded in physics but are still assumed in biology because the field has not integrated these concepts.
Quantum effects were thought to only work at tiny scales, but they actually work at all scales. The warm, wet environment of the brain was considered incompatible with quantum effects, since quantum computers require near-absolute zero temperatures. Over the next 50 years, research will likely explore whether quantum reality relates to consciousness.
The brain may function as a receiver rather than a generator of consciousness. This concept becomes more compelling when considering how consciousness might be received rather than produced by neural activity.
Gardening began accidentally at age four or five on Long Island. After being told to spit out watermelon seeds, the seeds were planted and forgotten. By September, a watermelon the size of a football had grown. Running to show it to his mother on a concrete patio resulted in the watermelon splattering. At age eight, a garden was planted next to the house, called a "farm," and strawberries were sold to his mother in Dixie cups.
Gardening creates an active relationship with nature rather than a passive observer relationship. Plants have interests that must be satisfied to receive what is wanted in return. This principle—that satisfying other beings' interests leads to mutual benefit—later informed writing about agriculture and food systems.
The garden serves as a more valuable laboratory for understanding nature than wilderness because 92% of the American landscape remains unprotected. Only 8% has been preserved. The binary view of nature as either virgin wilderness or exploited land is problematic. Learning how to behave in nature on the 92-98% of landscape that is neither protected nor pristine is essential.
Consciousness involves understanding where minds engage with matter, nature, and biology. This remains largely unknown.
Sound bowl therapy likely has important effects on the nervous system. The practical approach to relationships with plants and psychedelics involves more than emotional connection—it requires exporting knowledge in ways people can actually use. This means acknowledging diverse truths rather than expecting everyone to adopt the same lifestyle or location.
The food movement and psychedelic movement both reached limitations when leaders were either too emotive without practicality or too practical and dismissive of new possibilities. Effective progress requires marrying both the practical and the visionary.
Omnivore's Dilemma was published in 2006. The core message was: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." The book differed from other influential food books of the period—Eric Schlosser's Fast Food Nation and Marion Nestle's Food Politics—which focused on what not to do. Omnivore's Dilemma emphasized positive relationships with food rather than exposing negative systems.
A New York Times piece that became a chapter followed one cow from insemination to slaughter, describing the dark oil-based food chain. The piece also included a few paragraphs on grass-fed, grass-finished beef as an alternative sunlight-based food chain. Editors wanted to cut this section, but it was retained to show hope that food could be grown using sunlight rather than oil.
After publication, a butcher shop in Oakland reported that six people had asked for grass-fed beef that week, demonstrating how writing can create market demand and give individuals agency rather than positioning them as victims of systems.
Being the oldest of four children with an alcoholic father created early responsibility for maintaining sanity in the family dynamic and helping with household tasks. This fostered a practical orientation. The instinct is always to start with materialism and only move to other ideas if materialism fails.
Optimism has been present throughout life, not developed later. The goal is to push the world in a particular direction, which constitutes advocacy in journalism. After mastering a subject, it becomes disingenuous to avoid stating where systems should move.
The food system remains problematic despite increased awareness. People have better understanding of food origins and connections between diet and health, but the American diet is still largely terrible. Agriculture continues focusing on corn and soy as building blocks for ultraprocessed foods that cause illness.
Psychedelics have made more progress than food systems because there was no organized opposition comparable to the food industry's resistance. Cultural opposition from the drug war and 1960s holdovers existed, but current bipartisan support includes figures like Rick Perry, who describes himself as a "knuckle-dragging Republican" advocating for ibogaine access for veterans with PTSD and substance abuse issues.
The food movement was previously coded as left-liberal, but MAHA (Make America Healthy Again) has created areas of agreement on pesticides and removing ultraprocessed food from schools. The previous perception of the food movement as elitist has diminished due to right-wing support.
America never developed a real food tradition until fast food became the default cuisine. Immigrants from countries with food traditions lost those practices, making American food culture more vulnerable to marketing. Without deep roots to resist marketplace pressures toward cheap processed ingredients, unhealthy foods became normalized—fried chicken, hot dogs, hamburgers, mac and cheese, French fries, cotton candy.
The Mediterranean diet demonstrates that healthy eating patterns can be borrowed from other cultures. However, changing eating habits is extremely difficult. While cultural approaches to shifting food choices are valuable, policy remains the barrier: corn subsidies make unhealthy food artificially cheap, simultaneously supporting both sugar production and diabetes treatment. This creates an insane system where both sides of the type 2 diabetes war receive government support.
Healthy food must become cheaper relative to unhealthy food through policy changes, not just cultural shifts.
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The current administration is not taking meaningful action on healthy eating despite the emphasis on the topic. RFK Jr. has been talking about the issue, but the big beautiful bill eliminated farm to school and farm to other institution programs supporting small agriculture and regenerative agriculture. The only change made on food after over two years has been getting food companies to voluntarily remove some dyes from cereal. Dyes are not considered a crucial health problem, and the change is voluntary. The administration is not going to regulate anything, and changes needed in the food system, such as getting ultraprocessed food out of the school lunch program, will require regulations. Pesticides are being deregulated aggressively.
RFK Jr. has surfaced a constituency that was not previously aware of - mothers with kids having serious illnesses who are trying to treat them with better diet. These people were encountered while writing Omnivore's Dilemma at Joel Salatin's farm in Virginia. Salatin is a progressive farmer who has pioneered grass-based agriculture where he rotates different species over the same grasslands and grows amazing food, especially eggs and meat. He is located 45 minutes from the interstate in the middle of nowhere. The people who showed up on Saturdays to pick up their pastured chickens were part of a network that existed before being called MAHA Moms. They were members of the Western Price Society, which promotes grass-based animal protein and has been around since the 1930s. They had their own views on seed oils and the concept that food is medicine, though not always aligned with science, but were passionate about clean food and willing to drive 100 miles to get it.
The food movement can make common cause with MAHA activists, with early signs of success. There was a bill in Congress that the administration was supporting that would have exempted pesticide makers from all lawsuits, and it was in an appropriations bill. Shelley Pingri, a food movement leader and organic farmer from Maine in Congress, got together with MAHA activists and got the provision stripped out of the bill twice. This demonstrates the kind of politics needed - just like psychedelics, right and left together can get things done.
Rick Perry and someone on the Democratic side were literally holding hands at a veterans benefit event supporting heart medicine. The food and healthy food movement used to be considered elitist but is no longer viewed that way. Similarly, psychedelics used to be associated with Big Sur hippies and very left-leaning, but the most intense psychedelic gain appears to be crossing into true therapeutic support by the FDA through the veterans community, which tends to lean right.
Rick Perry, Rick Doblin, and Rick Doty deserve credit for the progress. Rick Doblin has the worst diet, having croissants and orange juice for breakfast, yet has more energy than any human being alive. He is awake and cheerful and clear of mind for 20 hours. He is a journalist's dream because he never goes off the record and tells exactly what he thinks. At an event with veterans, many SEALs and special operations folks, Doblin's first statement was that he was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, and the room went silent before smiles appeared as they appreciated his honesty. Doblin deliberately reached out to the right years ago, taking a contribution from Rebecca Mercer, a big Trump supporter, despite criticism from people in his organization, explaining that this is how change happens. He also reached out to veterans groups and deserves credit for the progress.
MDMA and psilocybin are closer to FDA approval. The company Resilient, formerly LIOS and part of MAPS, has put forward MDMA for trauma treatment. They were turned down once but resubmitted with additional data and appear fast-tracked. The same executive order fast-tracking ibogaine is fast-tracking other psychedelics. It was apparently originally written for ibogaine, but someone in the White House said it was crazy to do just this one when there are others closer to having the needed data. Psilocybin from Compass Pathways is also close, with potential approval before the end of the year. The reason this is happening is because Joe Rogan texted the president saying it was really important after doing a show on ibogaine, and President Trump, having lost or afraid of losing the manosphere vote, wanted to give Rogan something he cared about.
When psychedelics are approved as medicines with regulations for administration, it will be an earthquake because the message the public will take is that these things once thought to be dangerous drugs are medicines. People who have not thought about psychedelics will be asking if this is for them, their kids, or their parents. There are people with predisposition to psychosis or heart issues who should stay away. With cannabis, once thought very safe, widespread use has revealed issues with addiction and psychosis. There is a lot of public education needed to help people navigate this. There are real risks, but there are people whose lives will be saved. Many people have had transformative experiences that cured addictions, depression, and OCD. The field of mental health needs new tools as current ones don't work very well. Doing this right is not going to be easy.
Gratitude is extended to Michael Pollan and Tim Ferriss for working hard to get psychedelics to where they are. Pollan was nervous when publishing How to Change Your Mind, talking about his own psychedelic experience and not knowing what would happen, thinking the police would be knocking at the door. The timing was right - early but not so early that the police would be at the door.
The host listened to Pollan's book about quitting caffeine. The host drinks a lot of caffeine from the first time taking a sip of mate, feeling it completes them the same way some people feel about alcohol. The host is grateful it's caffeine and not alcohol. 90% of the world's adults consume caffeine every day. The host does not really know life without caffeine unless sick.
Caffeine is a really interesting drug that most people don't think of as a drug, but it is a drug to which most people are addicted. Roland Griffiths, the psychopharmacologist at Johns Hopkins who did the initial work on psilocybin and launched the psychedelic renaissance, previously worked on caffeine. During an interview, Griffiths said the only way to really understand a drug taken habitually is to get off it completely. He proposed Pollan go on a caffeine fast. Pollan started drinking caffeine very young, age 8 or 10, as a way to connect with his dad who got up early and got home late. The addiction started early and was very hard to quit. Going cold turkey produces flu-like symptoms. Pollan felt off, could not focus, felt like having ADHD, did not feel like himself, and could not write at all as it was wired into the writing process. After a couple days, symptoms subsided, but even with no caffeine in the system, Pollan did not feel like himself and felt more like himself on the drug than not on it. The experiment lasted about three months while researching caffeine and learning it is not bad for people. You can overuse it, but it has many positive health effects up to seven or eight cups a day, after which problems begin. Some people get jittery on much less. For most people it is addictive, but aside from jitteriness, negative effects are outweighed by positive effects. It helps people with Parkinson's, reduces blood pressure, and there are valuable polyphenols in coffee and tea that benefit the microbiome.
The day Pollan got back on caffeine, the first cup was the best drug experience, better than any psychedelic experience. It was so powerful that Pollan was flying with energy, cleaned the closet and garden, and felt like Superman. The second cup was not as special. Pollan wondered if there was a way to preserve that power, as getting back on caffeine is very different from the daily experience of getting to baseline with an addiction. Pollan decided to have caffeine only one day a week on Saturdays, and it worked for a few weeks with wonderful Saturday coffee experiences. However, with a big deadline on a Thursday, Pollan considered having a cup and recognized the slippery slope back to daily consumption. Pollan has no bad faith about drinking coffee and thinks it is God's gift to mankind, as is tea. Green tea is also consumed. Caffeine has positive cognitive benefits for focus. Students preparing for exams perform better with caffeine, as shown in tests with placebo controls. It is described as cocaine without all the problems.
Pollan lives in a great city for coffee, with the original Peet's just down the street and the Cheese Board nearby. The host is grateful Pollan wrote the book and did the experiment, and will seriously consider doing the experiment. The experiment teaches about relationship to drugs in general, which are a normal part of human life. Thinking about drugs has been contaminated by the drug war. Drugs are not good or bad - it is all about context, and caffeine is a great case study. Getting off it and back on it teaches something about oneself. Pollan has humanized plants in a way that makes people healthier when they pay attention and act on the information. Pollan's care for humanity, animals, and plants is self-evident. Pollan is working on a book about the microbiome, which will be an audio book coming out next year.
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