Brutally Honest Advice For Mental Toughness | Hormozi Hotline
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Alex Hormozi defines mental toughness as the low likelihood that bad events derail goal-aligned behavior, measured by four skills—tolerance (endure hardship), fortitude (minimize behavior change), resilience (quick recovery), and adaptability (emerge stronger)—and shares tactics like separating feelings from actions, reframing setbacks positively, and avoiding negative snowballs to build it. Debunks the "saturated market" myth, urging entrepreneurs to expand total addressable market via multi-channel ads/outreach, niching then broadening, and owning skill gaps over excuses; advises sticking with current businesses through pain curves rather than pivoting prematurely. Q&A covers scaling niches like chiropractic, fishing guides, agencies, newsletters, and coding bootcamps via better offers, content volume, lead gen, pricing hikes, and investor funding, emphasizing infinite-game persistence and mental toughness for enduring growth pains.
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Sterling, Rashank (Riz Hank), Clarissa, Kday, Raj, Max, Subrat, Andrew, Nicholas, School of Peptides, Brave, Aim, Muzl, Dimitar, Frank, Alexandrew. This is a longer live stream with three phases: (1) Slide presentation on mental toughness from an in-person talk with positive feedback, quantifying mental toughness via behavior; (2) Addressing a big fallacy keeping business owners smaller; (3) Q&A.
You aren't where you want to be in life because you can't withstand hard times, it takes too long to recover, you fall too far, and when you recover, you're worse than before. Alexi owns acquisition.com, a portfolio of companies that makes lots of money. Mental toughness is key to entrepreneurship and getting what you want in life.
Mental toughness defined as the chance a bad thing changes how you act in a way that's against your goals—the percentage likelihood that when something bad happens, you change behavior in a non-ideal way. It's measurable: high mental toughness = low chance of negative impact; low mental toughness = high chance.
Framework for response to bad things (against your preferences):
- Normal baseline behavior.
- Bad thing(s) force change in behavior.
- Depth of change (how low do you go).
- Recovery period back toward baseline.
- Bidirectional: recover better or worse.
- Magnitude of better or worse new baseline.
Mental toughness comprises four components: tolerance, fortitude, resilience, adaptability.
Tolerance
How much hardship (number or duration) before behavior change. Long fuse = high tolerance (takes a lot to crack); short fuse = low tolerance (snaps easily). Not ignoring pain, but maintaining intended behavior before disruption—like animals enduring injuries while acting normally.
Fortitude
Intensity of behavior change once tolerance surpassed—how low do you go? High fortitude: small change (deep breath, walk outside 5 minutes); low fortitude: drastic change (quit job, divorce, hard drugs).
Resilience
After behavior change, time to return to baseline. High resilience: quick bounce-back (5 minutes); low resilience: prolonged (5 years). Even steep drop but fast recovery = high resilience.
Adaptability
New baseline vs. old: high = better (strength beaten in); medium = same; low = worse (strength beaten out).
Trauma is a permanent change of behavior from an aversive stimulus (bad thing). If positive change, still trauma but you got better; if negative, you got worse.
Both positive/negative permanent changes = trauma. Against long-term goals = low adaptability.
Huge tolerance (almost nothing bothers), imperceptible behavior change (high fortitude), immediate recovery (high resilience), new baseline higher (high adaptability). Keeps getting better; life happens for them; very little throws them off.
Tiny tolerance (bad weather, traffic, slow Wi-Fi, mean comment, low likes, no sale, bad name throws off), drastic behavior change (low fortitude), long time down (low resilience), stabilizes worse (low adaptability). Example: breakup leads to +50 lbs, job loss, drug addiction, never recovers. Life happens to them.
- High tolerance, low fortitude (long fuse but snaps hard), low resilience (weeks upset), medium adaptability (back to baseline).
- Low tolerance (upset fast), high fortitude (barely changes behavior), high resilience (recovers quick), medium adaptability.
- Low tolerance, high fortitude (snaps quick, small change), low resilience (long recovery to baseline)—gets in funk easily, stays aloof/glazed for months, doesn't ruin life.
Describing components is first step to improving mental toughness in yourself and others.
Telling yourself or others to toughen up doesn't help. Giving clear instructions to change behavior over time improves it. Mental toughness is a skill you can develop, not a trait you're born with.
If you have a short fuse, practice not giving power to something that ruins your day or moment. Don't let it change your behavior. Allow yourself to be upset, but be more upset about letting something change your behavior than the thing itself. Example: Instead of lashing out at "I can't believe that person said XYZ," think, "I don't want to give them control over my behavior. I want to be bigger than the pain."
Simply continue to behave as normal despite bad things happening.
Recognize phrases like "bad things happen in threes" or "insult led to injury." As soon as your behavior changes, recognize it and avoid making more bad decisions. The negative snowball is a slippery slope to avoid.
- Recognize diversion from normal behavior: "I got in a bad mood and started acting differently."
- You can be in a bad mood internally if no one else knows.
- Ask: "What would I normally say if not in a bad mood? Say that even if upset."
That's mental toughness.
Don't justify acting out or behaving differently. Remind yourself of worse things that happen from continuing down this slippery slope against your goals. Recall: "What happened last time I went down this road?"
Practice catches you faster from spinning out: "I changed behavior against my goals. Let me come back."
Personal note: Fixing fortitude hurts most because it admits weakness in controlling behavior, that tolerance wasn't strong enough to withstand hardship.
When you act out, it's an opportunity to stop and demonstrate higher fortitude. This reverses momentum of bad behavior (against preferences/goals) and begins ascent to baseline.
If you mess up (snap at girlfriend, say something mean to employee or boss), focus on getting back to normal: "What would I do if not upset? Act as if not upset."
Allow upset but don't let it change behavior. This breaks link between feelings and actions without invalidating feelings. Goal: Return to baseline as fast as possible. Over time, act normal faster until behavior never changes.
Personal note: Easier to improve once recognizing mess-up: Jet back to normal as fast as possible. At rock bottom of upset, reverse 180 full throttle to normal. "It only controls me as long as I allow it."
If worse off after bad thing, you have low adaptability. Ask: "How can this bad thing serve me? In what universe is this the beginning of something better?"
Greatest growth comes after biggest upsets. Personal experience: Growth from periods where fortitude tested and acted poorly, then returned to baseline and reflected: "How could this serve me? What universe makes this a story where protagonist grows?"
Frame from Joe Rogan: If main character in movie with happy ending (passed up for promotion, doesn't get girl, loved one dies), what would character do to move plot to happy ending? Do that.
Guilt: Broke your own rules. Shame: Broke others' rules. Useful after bad behavior if they change it for better. Feeling bad without change serves no purpose.
Not numbing feelings or not feeling them. Don't act out feelings: Just because you feel like shit doesn't mean act like shit, treat others like shit, or treat yourself like shit.
Separating feelings from behavior is maturity—a skill, not age-related. Hopeful: You can work on it.
Wrote this after mom's death to understand feelings and behavior change: "How can I use this to strengthen me? Become better?"
Uncomfortable but true: For parent's death, dog dying, breakup—what frame serves you? That person wouldn't want you worse off, permanently traumatized, or behaving against goals.
How long you mourn unrelated to how much you loved. Myth: Takes half relationship length to get over breakup. Why? Who made that rule? Why not better immediately? Nothing prevents behaving certain way.
Biological factors affect: Low sleep or hunger lowers tolerance/resiliency (measured). Better sleep/full stomach raises mental toughness stats. Bad things don't happen in vacuum, but deal with cards dealt (e.g., no sleep, no food, bad meetings).
Victor Frankl in Man's Search for Meaning: Gap between stimulus and reaction where you choose how to behave. Live out ideals there.
Eternal human aspect: Values chosen to live by. At life's end (eulogies), accomplishments 1-2 sentences—no one cares about richest man in Babylon, skyscrapers, sold social media app for billions, or product-market fit.
Two persistent themes: Service (what did for others) and character (behavior skills treating self/others).
Writing elucidating: Reveals thinking gaps. Forces learning—no hiding from words on paper vs. amorphous thoughts.
Shared writing with Ila; she said potential non-business book.
Poll: W for non-business book like this, B for business book (either/or).
Can't separate behavior/interpersonal/self skills from business: Best strategy fails without tolerance, fortitude, resilience, adaptability.
People seek tactics but can't execute consistently—get in own way, let world dictate actions. Be droplet of defiance/agency.
Inner strength/peace: Behave with respect/love/appreciation/gratitude despite bad mood. If others don't know you're off, that's a W.
Take one W at a time. Skill reinforces; develop reputation as unshakable, consistent, unbreakable.
People reinforce: "He's a rock, maniac, doesn't stop." Believe it, act to confirm—virtuous cycle.
If in valley of despair (low tolerance/resilience, changed behavior), remember: At life's end, only service and behavior matter—no one cares about books sold, businesses built, houses, equity.
Start at end, work backwards.
See language as behavior: Saying "hi" solicits response (reinforced by reply). Crying solicits certain response.
Example with wife Ila: Early relationship, her crying → comfort → quiet → anger → she stops. Reinforced anger to stop her crying. She avoided upset around him. Learned wrong lesson.
Words said for others' responses, not always meaning. In communities saying "manifestation, frequency, synchronicities"—get acceptance/reinforcement, so believe (without defining).
Do behavior more when reinforced.
Take definitions seriously: Words matter. First step breaking down problems: What does it mean? How do we know? Why does it matter? (Logic, evidence, utility).
Single reason most stay broke/small: Believe market saturated/too small/competitive/red ocean.
99% wrong unless selling to 140 people in rural town. Market 100-1000x bigger than thought. Average entrepreneur taps <1% of market.
You've viewed business through keyhole; massive door ahead.
Total addressable market (TAM): Good to enter saturated markets/red oceans.
Limiting belief protects ego: "Can't scale ads past $1k/day—saturated market." No: Ads suck, don't know levels of awareness, only advertise to avatar understanding solution/product. Larger market above that can buy.
Because you don't know how to advertise, you're unable to reach your market. Instead of admitting "I do not know how to advertise in a way that gets more leads" or "I do not know how to scale," people say "the market is too small." For local businesses, it is possible your market is truly tiny, like 140 people in the Sahara Desert. But most local markets in A or B cities with 400,000 or a million people are sufficient if you need only 200 customers to make business work. In nearly any other industry, check Google industry revenue—it's almost impossible you've tapped your market. This excuse is commonly stated but least commonly true.
When running Gym Launch, Alex was convinced to try outbound after interviewing a lead sales rep from a gym software company doing $10 million a month—five times Gym Launch's revenue at the time—despite Alex never hearing of them. They generated leads purely through outbound, breaking Alex's belief about demand generation.
Imagine the market as 100% pie. With one competitor, people think they lose half; with three, only a quarter left—this mindset keeps you poor. Reality: your single advertising method (one platform, one medium) is a tiny red slice, barely visible amid massive aggregate attention.
- Platforms for content: Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, X, radio, TV, tabula, Google search, direct mail, email, school.
Add ads across all platforms, then outreach: direct mail, DMs on Facebook/LinkedIn/TikTok, phone calls—every one-on-one contact method. Competitors don't crowd you; you're a sliver in one tiny channel. Even within one platform, maximize formats: Instagram posts/stories/images/carousels; YouTube shorts/long-form/community posts.
Even in the biggest red ocean like business advice, bloody water means more fish and biggest rewards. Merge with niching down: start by artificially constraining to a puddle where no sharks swim—be the biggest fish there. Evolve: puddle → pond → lake → ocean, correlated with skill/experience.
Alex's path: trainer/nutrition → gyms → business. Riches in niches because fewer competitors cap upside (higher than you think), but enable niche pricing power with less comparison.
Visualize marketplace as triangle; your business a dot. Move in five directions:
- Up market: Gym Launch example—from single-location gyms to multi-location owners/franchisers.
- Down market: From gyms to trainers (more volume, less buying power).
- Adjacent: From gyms to chiropractors using same systems.
- Broader: From gyms to health/wellness (chiropractors, med spas, weight loss clinics).
- Narrower: From gyms to spin studios or dance studios.
Most small owners never define this, accepting any customer with a credit card, confusing everyone.
Leads issue ≠ small market. Expand: more content in more places, better content, add ads, pair with outreach for omnipresence. Stay niched short-term, expand as skills grow. For locals (35% of audience):
- Expand location: Knock down walls, add seats, increase efficiency—e.g., cut gym classes from 45 to 30 minutes for 1.5x more classes, eliminate breaks, extend hours.
- Add channels: Beyond Instagram, post on X, YouTube, Facebook, TikTok. Rule: one avatar/one product/one channel to $1M/year, except C/D markets (<50k people in 10-mile radius)—saturate with multi-channel.
- Open new locations: Max out walls, then duplicate model. One store ≠ $100M, but scalable model is. $10M/year achievable in any business (except extreme tiny local) by opening in new markets.
Goals achievable in current vehicle—impatience seeks shiny objects. If you did one thing 40 years, success likely. Visual: Year 3 in current business. Switching starts new year 1 (even if higher) trails year 4. Growth easier when bigger; switching loses head start. Stuck on features, not bugs—every business has hard parts (e.g., fitness: customer acquisition/retention; cleaning: talent).
- Info/coaching: Starts fast, hard to scale (no retention—people graduate).
- SaaS: Starts slow, scales fast (burn money/time building).
- Ecom: Scales fast but cash flow/supply chain/3PL issues.
- Service: Slowest but steady (people-heavy: hire/train/onboard).
Hit the crappy part? Normal shape, not flaw. Industry balance: easy talent → hard customers (fitness/weight loss); hard talent → sticky customers (accounting). Match your industry's constraints or you're doing something very right/wrong. Inexperience mistakes features for bugs, leading to half-hearted effort like a wandering-eye marriage—doubling down fixes faster than starting over.
Market isn't limited—your mind/skill is. Instead of "no good salespeople," "crowded market" (translates to "can't get leads/too expensive"), reframe to what you control: "I don't have the skill to get more leads/attrach/hire/manage good salespeople/get employees to behave."
I don't have the skill to get employees to behave according to the goals I have in the business. Stating it this way makes you own the outcome. You become the source and the one who can change it. Casting power outside yourself doesn't serve you and gives that as the reason for lacking success. You could be right, but some prizes aren't worth winning. Playing the pity game to win awards like "person born with most inconveniences" or "worst things happened to"—is that prize worth it?
When seeing such situations, consider the power of winning despite adversity. That's a unique story only you can have. The more messed up your childhood or experiences, the stronger that story for those who follow and look up to you. You serve as an example for others who've suffered the same or worse. Protecting your ego by blaming external things robs you of that opportunity. Being right that it was true but succeeding despite it is cooler.
Use the story frame: When split between choices at 85, pick the cooler story—it's all you'll have left. Usually, the hard thing is the right thing. If the easy thing were right, you'd already do it. You hesitate because it's harder than expected.
Starting a business is unbelievably hard. Business owners at highest levels get compensated because they survived that period. They earn the right to earn above average, more in a day than others in lifetimes. Learn to behave in hard circumstances to endure inevitable hardships as you grow. Growth comes from deficiency between current and required state—that stretch hurts because you're inadequate. Growing pains hurt for a reason.
Wishing to grow fast means wishing for tremendous pain extended. People hit first pain and act surprised. Business pain includes not knowing what you're doing, feeling like an idiot, questioning why you're not good enough, why others do better. Paths: blame external uncontrollable factors or take ego punch and admit you're not good yet. Excuses like "he's unethical" don't help—now what?
Accept you're not good, over and over. World proves it repeatedly. Plateaus after 1-3 years mean no change—same behavior, same outputs. Painful change may require two steps back: wrong build, wrong leader, wrong team culture. Stay under potential or confront difficulty.
Humans think they're first to feel this pain, love, ignorance—robbing ability to learn from predecessors. Even taking max advice, you'll get burned. For normal people (not Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos), figuring business takes 5+ years all-in, not side hustle.
Business hard to teach in school—principles same, game changes. Quote from The Wire: Cuddy returns after 15 years prison, game changed. Slim Charles: "Game's the same, just more fierce." Level rises as players improve. Business is infinite game.
Judging self by comparing leads to pain: compare to find discrepancies (valuable), but don't label as "I suck, worthless." E.g., "He's better at ads—what's he doing? Learn it." Not "he's better, I suck forever."
Business since ancient Egypt 5,000 years ago—merchants then, infinite game. No one knows #1 merchant from 5,000, 4,000, etc. years ago. Net worth chase: kids become trust fund kids, wealth divides, no game skills. Game constant, players change. Mom's saying: "News always same, only names change." Bankers greedy, jealous husband kills wife—same news. Business: hot tech booms/crashes, boy learns sell/advertise/product, makes money, philanthropist, kin maintains/destroys.
All players swapped in 100 years, board wiped, game continues. Stay in game: pat on back for playing, rolling dice.
From $100M Offers (or $100M Leads): Imagine dice game—you and friend, one 20-sided die, one 200-sided. One green side each, rest red. Can't see sides. Roll green: red side turns green, roll again. Red: nothing, roll again. Game ends when you stop—you lose if you quit.
Keep rolling: reds turn green over time, greens become rule. Friend rolls few reds, sees your green, complains you have fewer sides. Rolls more in frustration, gets green but complains time. Quits, calling game rigged.
Die sides don't matter if you roll enough—every die hits green streak eventually. All get many-sided die. Don't know others' rolls (100th or 100,000th). Early players lucky because they play, don't quit on red.
Learning advertising like this: try until works. Guarantees: more rolls, better you get; quit, you lose.
Infinite game—don't know your die's reds. Keep rolling despite 20 reds in row. Mental toughness (high frustration tolerance, fortitude, resiliency, adaptability) keeps you in. In infinite games: no winners/losers, only players/quitters. Early = more reds left. Failures get them out. Don't lose so bad you die—keep playing. Hopeful message.
Caller: Dr. Sunny Deservich, chiropractor 7 years total, 2 in own practice. Built momentum, mistake: dove into mentors/sales coaching/Facebook marketing expenses to grow revenue. Riding lows since. How know when to keep going vs. maintain momentum, not overstretch?
Advice: One-time learning expenses aren't losses if you learn/apply (not yet fruited = investment). Not at full capacity existing location. Know how to advertise for leads? Had marketing help.
Learn it yourself if staying in business. Decision: artist or businessman?
Example: Good at leather wallets, demand > time.
- Technician/artist path: Raise price on limited output (10/day). Make ton money.
- Businessman path: [incomplete]
A wallet maker can hire people, train them, or build automated manufacturing lines to produce better wallets faster at half the material cost, becoming a businessman. As a chiropractor, decide: be a technician or businessman? The caller switched from artist to businessman, learning the hard way. Business takes as long to learn as becoming a chiropractor (7.5 years), if not longer. After 2 years in, expect growth by year 5 if persistent. All money from gyms went to zero after 5 years; outcome is skills. Used to investing in education.
To succeed: nail individual model with sticky customers or charge as much as possible ($10,000+ for specialized neuropathy, year-long packages with supplements). Then learn lead generation and sales. Next, attract talent, give up 10-20% of single location to motivated chiropractor maintaining quality. Then enter M&A route: buy underperforming practices cheaply and retrofit (easier than building). Takes 5-7 years, like medical school payoff a decade later.
School community helps fishing guides grow business. Manually found 700 US fishing guide phone numbers via Google. Model: free step-by-step guide decoy offer, upsell to 1-on-1 coaching. Sent message for free guide: 8% response ("Sure, send it over"). About page converts 15% to free offer. Achieved $1,000/month; goal $10,000/month.
~10,000 fishing guides total. Average makes $30-50K/year profit. Helps underperformers scale to $5K/month revenue, $3K/month profit in 3 months (adds ~$2K/month on top). Milked 700 with 3-4 touchpoints/follow-ups; 900 fresh leads left.
$10K/month doable in niche. Don't target underperformers (low money); target high-performers to learn/provide more value. Fix one: more people + little value, or few people + lots of value. Target who has money or make them more money.
Caller runs own fishing charter at $5K/month profit (5 years); hesitant to target above own results or scale own due to burnout (has all work wanted). Idea: charge more via grand slam offer (not commodity competing on price). Decommoditize: bundle extras (multiple sessions, food, grill fish on boat with chef/lemon for premium experience). Fishing clients often wealthy; give chance to spend.
Fix own business first for short/long-term gains, build proof to charge more ($500-$1K/month not high-ticket, mid). Help clients surpass own numbers. Commodity sellers priced at burnout point; market forces max output for minimal pay until nothing left. Capitalism efficient.
Short-term: more leads, retain clients, charge $1K/month. Medium/long-term: target/make more money. Experiment new offers with current customers.
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Smither: performance-based marketing agency for kitchen/bathroom remodels, outdoor living. $8K/month topline, $7K profit. Pay-per-show model, high-end projects (no discounts). No retainers/ad spend from clients; agency takes risk. $250 cost per qualified appointment (aim $210). $1,000 setup fee + $500-600 per show. Refund setup if <10 shows in first month.
2 clients on model; 3 on free service for cash flow (prior model), planning to ditch after $10K/month. 5 clients total.
Don't cut cash flow. Margins: ~$210 cost vs $500-600 revenue per show (~40%, aim 20%). Risk: scaling compresses margins. Model fine (lead cost arbitrage; seen massive agencies). Go upmarket: clients spending $50K-$100K-$200K/month ads (less volatility; they have sales teams understanding show ≠ close).
Avoid: small businesses (blind leading blind; high churn). Don't expand to sales agency (temptation when shows don't close). Serve best avatar; don't over-serve wrong one. Get bigger sample size first (run more water through well).
With the paper show model, customers want to predict how much money they're going to spend. Customers who retain the most understand how much they're going to pay. Give people a range estimate or heads up different times through the month on billing amounts. Communicate every other week or every week to show their tab. By increment of revenue, e.g., every $5,000 or $1,000 spent, automatically notify them. "We can turn it off whenever you want."
Ask during onboarding what their budget is to show you're okay spending as much as they're comfortable, then coach them up from there.
Currently builds a model with close rate, average contract value on sales calls, then weekly tells them expected spend for return.
To go from $8K per month to $50K sustainably: get more data, sell more, don't switch model, get clients to sell, ensure they know charges, go up market. Target avatar 1 million above, e.g., in ads/outreach look for people doing 10x numbers. Same size company, add a zero to revenue targets, make significantly more money.
Don't increase setup fees yet with 5 people team. Get more water through the well first. Don't increase prices until delivery is stressed and proven rock solid.
Winnipeg Digest: local newsletter/media company, 110K audience (70K social, 40K newsletter list in 18 months). $10K revenue/month, $6K profit from local advertising. 6 annual advertisers ($1K-$2K/month), rest one-off ads. Sends 12 digital email newsletters/month (3/week: Mon/Wed/Fri). City population 1M.
Q1: Scale to $1M without running out of local advertisers or ad space (12 newsletters/month).
Not worried about advertisers (plenty in city). More concern is ad space, but price CPMs appropriately. With growth to 250K subscribers, charge much more per ad, e.g., $100K/ad possible. Media scales via impressions and quality. Currently selling 12 ads/month at $1K—not high; many businesses can pay $5K-$10K. Example: local mag ad half-page $10K-$15K/month.
Don't expand to new cities or niche down (e.g., Winnipeg Real Estate Digest). Scale this one first—capture more impressions. Leverage 70K social: charge for posts, stories, YouTube integrations + newsletter.
Next step not niching; do more. If needed later, parse list (e.g., triple size, split A/B/C lists, send separate 12 emails each, charge 3x).
Q2: Subscriber acquisition via Facebook ads at $140 CAC, 3 months to break even. Continue scaling FB ads? Sell longer periods upfront.
Add self-liquidating offer (SLO) on thank you page: $37 10-pack digital guides (e.g., Winnipeg's best restaurants, new spots, skis, desserts). One in 37 buyers = zero CAC, scale to the moon. Was about to give free in welcome sequence.
Don't start side businesses like Christmas holiday lights. Add SLO, grow list, charge more, get more advertisers. Acquisition: continue FB ads.
Helps remote high-ticket sales coaches with fulfillment: posts job opportunities in their communities, weekly group coaching, DM support (application videos, questions). Coaches teach sales; struggle with job opps and coaching students to land them. Provides second funnel.
45 communities on retainer $2K-$4K/month. Doesn't charge businesses for postings (avoids bottleneck). Posts 500-600 job opps/month. Runs entire business/fulfillment solo.
Bottleneck: No team; all fulfillment (liaising businesses, 20 group calls/week for ~half clients, DMing questions). Little time on sales.
Advice: Offload questions first—train someone to answer, onboarding to take calls. Calls personalized: frame experience (or lack) for better jobs. Needs career coaches for remote sales.
Hard to find: great sales reps earn more selling than coaching.
Two models for coaching teams:
- Full-time hires: Harder to find (compete with sales jobs), higher cost (high anchor), finite timeline (they learn then leave). Benefit: less management, 2 people cover all, high discretionary effort.
- Part-time fractional coaches (10-15 hrs/week, e.g., 4-5 cover 40 hrs): Easier to find (experienced coaches wanting extra $$, status, teaching). Downside: more management (scheduling, compliance). Less keyman risk; easy replace.
Prefer part-time if hard to find/retain full-time. Best: Recruit top alumni placements (10% killers). Offer $5K/month extra to give back, break from selling.
Money model: Tier candidates. Free regular; blue-check "personally screened killers" at $2.5K-$5K/head. With 600 placements/month, 60 paid = $150K-$300K/month extra revenue.
"Call that a money model right there."
Brian runs parity.io, an online coding boot camp for adults. Plateaued at 30-40 students per year. Charges $9,200. Good reviews, personalized, priced under competitors. Gets traffic organically via podcast (10,000 downloads/month, 8 episodes/month, ~1,200 downloads/episode, actual listens 500-1,000) and 30,000 LinkedIn followers. Most leads (75%) from podcast, 25% from LinkedIn. Business 5 years old, Brian running it for 2 years after seller-financed purchase. Peaked at 50-60 during pandemic, now stuck at 30-40. 25% click-to-close conversion.
Advice: Marketing issue—no one knows you exist. Podcast hard to grow (low suggestibility), treat as mid/bottom funnel. Increase top-of-funnel awareness:
- Make more LinkedIn content (daily), repurpose to X (text-based easy).
- Turn top LinkedIn posts into YouTube videos (shorts/longs).
- Video > audio: Repurpose video to YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, LinkedIn. Turn podcast into YouTube videos—coding audience watches videos, builds trust, easier growth.
- Better lead magnet: Give first module free ("learn this in <60 min"), call leads to sell. Direct "go apply" too bottom-funnel.
Don't stop podcast, but prioritize high-discoverability platforms. Plenty of organic meat on bone—no ads yet. TL;DR: 1) Better lead magnet. 2) Higher volume content across platforms.
Josh owns brick-and-mortar pest control (recurring residential plans), $1M revenue in first year, targeting $5M next. Bundles all services: higher close rate, but no upsell, tighter margins. Without bundle: lower close rate, higher margins/upsell/LTV. Targets upscale (upper middle to high-end) customers—same profile either way.
Advice: Offer not the constraint—business growing fine, close rate good with bundle. Sell the bundle and raise price (e.g., +20%)—upscale customers won't notice, doubles margins. Why fix what ain't broke?
Paul runs agency for martial arts schools: lead gen + appointment setting. $420K revenue, $100K profit, ~$35K/month. Started freelancing, repeatable system for first classes. Sells 3-month contracts, high churn (clients leave: A) overwhelmed by leads, B) no patience). Good relationships, but stuck. Doesn't own martial arts school, sales/internal issues.
Goal: Learn to make money, exit, finish.
Diagnosis: Learned acquisition—valuable skill for specific avatar. But martial arts studios volatile (high churn owners, small), reflects in agency (not sellable). To fix: Sell non-churn items they already buy (payment processor, CRM, insurance)—sticky essentials.
Push vs Pivot: Won't exit this. Pivot to high revenue retention business. Use $100K savings + skills:
- Avoid linear thinking (e.g., kids education, tutoring similar scale).
- Find level 8 opportunity for level 8 marketing skill: Industry/product with high stickiness (revenue retention hardest part; acquisition you have).
- Apply acquisition to businesses with built-in retention, acquire/fill them (full stack).
- Exponential > linear: Use ChatGPT—"industries with great revenue retention, match my skills (lead gen martial arts/kids/sports), 5x sellable, $50M potential."
- Pick worth the pain: All businesses hard (50% pain/50% good). High performers die on easy wins—get disengaged, won't finish to sell. Never feel ready—start, figure out (e.g., Acquisition.com learned investing on fly). Stay challenged to exit.
Video turns into audio much easier than audio turns into video.
It's just as hard to build a small business as a big one. Pick one worth the suffering.
Caller doubled ad spend from 10K rate last year following Alex's advice to double ad spend and keep the course, now seeking higher rejectivity. Advice: Learn more by trying things than thinking; get out into the world and do stuff. Test opportunities like becoming an affiliate for a company, insurance company, or contractor to build in-house marketing for one big client to learn the business. Use saved cash as nest egg to be aggressive with learning without worrying about living expenses. Caller saved first 100k through frugal living like Chipotle.
Devin has 2,000 subscribers, almost quarter million views in last 28 days mostly from shorts, no long-form yet. Works 40 hours/week making lawn mower parts. Early stage: Start making long-form videos to deepen influence and demonstrate expertise. Take 3-4 good short concepts and expand into a 5-8-10 minute video covering them in tandem.
Consistency is Key
YouTube is a game of consistency. From mediocre to good: consistency. To great: continued improvement while consistent. Been serious for 2 months (not years despite starting earlier). Commit to one short per day (5-9am and 5-9pm daily) and at least one long per weekend. Do not consider monetizing yet; focus on volume to build efficiency.
Goal and Commitment
Goal: Replace 10k/month job income to scale. What stops daily videos: life gets in the way (talking, sun sets, no daylight). To be consistent: Stop things making you inconsistent—right people, environment, routine. > Commitment is the elimination of alternatives. Say no to everything else to say yes to this; every yes to short-term pleasure is no to long-term goal.
Platform Focus and Building Confidence
Be consistent on YouTube first: 12 weeks of 1 long + 7 shorts weekly to gain efficiency, then repurpose to Instagram, TikTok. Confidence is output from consistency → experience → competence → confidence. Inconsistent commitments degrade self-trust, making everything harder. Expect cringe period, loneliness, others thinking it's weird or fame-seeking; to be exceptional, become the exception. They'll be right short-term, you'll be right long-term.
Run agency for churches with cameras/equipment but no editors; clear marketer for back-end media optimization. Start with outreach for first 10 testimonials for free, then ask for referrals. Once capacity taxed, convert some to paying (they get hooked on good media), drop others. Use testimonials for further outreach; learn the game in process.
For daily posting: Look at fitness content you hate, ask why— that's your content. Not dunking or reaction videos (don't add hate; lift yourself up, make better stuff). Use as inspiration to create superior content.
2-month event company vs 15-year competitors; build trust despite comparisons. Small dog frame: Reframe comparison from your company vs their company to you (motivated new owner) vs their employee #86 (clocks in/out, doesn't care). Lean in: They've been here longer with track record, but you're just a number to them—account rep #6 won't care if problems. You're more motivated to deliver amazing event.
Decide via earnings per click (EPC) math. Example Excel: 100 clicks each offer.
- Subscription (A): 2% conv (2 sales), $10/month, 10% churn → $100 LTV → $200 total → EPC $2.
- Lifetime (B): 3% conv (3 sales), $50 one-time → $150 total → EPC $1.50.
Subscription wins on EPC but 10-month break-even vs immediate 5x cash upfront (cash flow issue). Test both; higher EPC wins if cash flow sustains (else re-rig model, read green book). Realistic: Lower price may convert higher, but preferences vary.
Dan runs 20-year center (joined 8 years ago as partner): Pick up/drop off, daycare, meals, insurance-based day rates. Growth issue amid illegal competitors offering kickbacks (excuse—ignore, don't do illegal). Sell to 3 archetypes: member, caregiver (mom/kid), referral sources (doctors/social workers). Referral sources promising but hard to convert (in-person lunches, song/dance).
Demand Constrained
Can take 2-3x more customers; people don't know you exist—advertise more. Doctors worth most (1 caregiver=1 member, 1 doctor's office=200 potential).
Affiliates Strategy from Leads Book
Launch then integrate: Launch: Get physicians to tell patient base (1-to-many). Integrate: Minimal change to their flow—hang out at office, meet patients post-visit; rent kiosk space $1000/month (not performance-based kickback). Get signature/commitment beyond 'sure'.
Went from profiting a million dollars a year. Question on SAS landing page CRO: how to fill days with work to get as many clients as possible. Inconsistent clients reliant on LinkedIn InMails, 50 to 100 a month. To get more customers, let more people know about your stuff, as covered in the book on leads. Three ways to promote: outreach (one-on-one communication), posting content, or running ads. Use these to get customers, agencies, employees, or affiliates.
If not doing outreach, running ads, or posting content for at least four hours a day, you're not doing your job. Schedule: split day into three 4-hour chunks—promote (marketing and sales), build (collateral, installation), deliver. Promotion fights irrelevance—no one knows you exist. Fight for customers' attention by getting in more inboxes and news feeds. If not interested, improve lead magnet to give better reason to engage.
Dylan struggling to decide whether to push or pivot. Pivot only if fundamental assumption proven untrue, e.g., dog lash business with no market. Others making money in industry? Yes, hit $1M revenue, $500K profit, but lost everything due to partner. Buy and sell comic books; trouble getting high-value deals ($5K-$10K collections), only 1% of leads vs. tons of 50-cent comic sellers.
600 leads/month at $10/lead ($6K ad spend), 6 good customers averaging $2K/deal, some whales at $50K-$100K. Volatility from insufficient volume; whales make it work. 50% margins not bad. Issues: sales team training for buying comics vs. collecting money, commissions, tracking—not pivot problems, just business problems. Proven model works.
Tempted to teach ad running, setter/closure scripts for comic books. Struggling to scale to multi-million with multiple drivers. Arm others with playbook? They struggle with leads, working leads, setting appointments, closing, selling comics repeatedly. Agent model: buy comics from them, resell, decentralize sales. Constraint: acquiring quality inventory (gold vs. scrap metal), getting high-value deals on calendar requires violent ad spend.
Subjective valuation like used car business or digital pawn shop. Business opportunity feels off; TAM too small for B2B scale like Gym Launch. Needs leadership growth, another 2 years. Own whole market or license. Business is hard; you've overcome health issues, moves, haven't quit.
Make content—comic books are content-friendly, generates buy-side demand, offsets CAC, builds brand for sellable asset, owns space. Logistics challenge for national ads (traveling circus), but highest advantage despite difficulties.
Next steps: Two paths—double down: make content, fix sales, increase ad spend to $18K/month for steady whales via law of large numbers. Spent $180K-$200K ads for $1M sales, 5:1 ROAS minus acquisition costs, $500K profit. Triple spend, build data infrastructure, money model to down-funnel 95-99% non-fits.
Self-liquidating offer ideas for form DQs (70%):
- $97 appraisal with digital value-add (cool/valuable), triple guarantee ($300 value or free).
- Priority access: jump front of line, credit toward purchase if buy.
- Risk/ease/speed: see you first, guarantee response within day, risk reversal (half back if no fit).
- Listing fee: $37 to send to network of buyers if can't buy.
- Not a course (tried $37 course on valuation/selling, 1% conversion).
Solve down-funnel to offset CAC/50% CAC enables scaling to $10M+ sellable business. Tried course for 2 years, but wrong offer—not real trying. Talk to customers, find product-market fit for what they want.
For someone better as owner than operator: own. Being owner means doing nothing but getting profits via paper—hilarious.
How to get people to know about you/more customers: book "$100M Leads" (free on podcast, Amazon, site).
SAS agency hybrid at $150K first year: DIY, done-with-you, done-for-you structures (more, better, new). Low-ticket not taken up yet. Non-compete lifted, now marketing themselves (walk the walk), surviving on local/word-of-mouth.
AI makes human interaction king; considering public speaking. Story: record (B&E) kept from opportunities, forced survival mode/entrepreneurship. House owner became client, helped expunge record—inspirational. Ties to CMO skill stack.
Two things: business growth or speaking to share message turning into business? Agency for SAS owners? No, offers SAS and agency services (digital marketing), white-labeling. Pick one—agency work.
Caller's Business: Serves SMBs with Facebook ads, website creation, SEO. Runs ads to get leads for business owners. First year, good trajectory, 10-15 service clients. Provides tools for $100/month, clients spend up to $5,000/month (running ads ~$1,500, plus SEO).
Advice: Massively simplify. White labels GoHighLevel, runs ads and SEO for small business owners. Constraint is needing more demand. Can double customers with systems/processes.
- Pick low-churn, high-margin services: White label software + SEO at $300-500/month.
- Run more ads/outreach to acquire.
- Stop higher-ticket agency services ($1,500-5,000/month) due to volatility and churn from SMBs.
Lead with: "I white label GoHighLevel. I run ads for small business owners. Can't grow as much as I'd like due to demand constraint."
Problem: Selling higher-ticket lead gen to SMBs ($1,500-3,500/month) leads to churn machine, rising CAC, compressed margins. Graveyard of 1-5M/year agencies.
Options:
- Low-ticket ($150-500/month max): Scalable, high gross margin, high stickiness. E.g., Google Maps listing, first 3 Google spots, maintain Google/Yelp reviews. SMBs won't churn low-price nuisances.
- Mid-market (businesses doing $1-3M/year): Charge $10k+/month. They have metrics, sales motion, LTV. Avoid those without.
Heavy lead gen frustrating: SMBs volatile, turn off regardless of performance, can't afford proper pricing.
Website Business for Detailers: Low-ticket niche, hard outreach/lead gen. Don't switch to solar (10x harder). Follow above options.
Campground Resort (Airbnb Cabins): $300k revenue, 40% profit ($120k). Zero hours/week (3 staff run it). High demand, growth blocked by capital for more buildings.
Detailing Business (1 year, Canada, seasonal main season $40k/month): ~$250-300k revenue, ~$50k profit (high marketing spend first year). Time-consuming, caps at ~$2M/year for top detailers.
Goal: Grow Airbnb, fund via detailing.
Advice: Double down on Airbnb (good at it, passive, 2.5x detailing profit). Raise investor money:
- Investors buy real estate, you manage, give preferred return (6-10%/year).
- Split profits after (e.g., 80/20 your favor). Blended return ~15%.
- Eliminates detailing (time-intensive, low profit relative to effort).
"You've got this thing that I don't like that makes me no money that takes all my time, and I've got this thing that I do like that I'm pretty good at that takes none of my time. Cool. So, then let's do more of that."
Business: 8.5M TTM revenue, $1.2M profit, on market.
Don't Tell Employees:
- Deal may not close (stats against it).
- Creates uncertainty; they assume horror stories (mass firings, illogical for asset purchase).
- Go as far as possible secretly.
- Include only CFO/COO post-need (NDA, incentivize with tiny sale slice).
- Trust key leaders late (post-signed LOI, late diligence).
Balance Growth:
- Operate as if deal won't happen (high chance).
- Avoid huge capex unless annual; disclose one-offs to acquirer transparently.
- Aggressively grow post-LOI (12 weeks to close): Microscope scrutiny. Crescendo revenue for leverage (better terms, no earnouts). Hit emails, content, sales commissions.
"The kiss of death... is how the business performs in the 12 weeks from signed LOI to deal closed." "The deal isn't done until the wire in your account... you want your price, your terms. Leverage = growth."
Semi-Glutide Weight Loss: Short-term high money, seasonal, commoditizing (like early Botox). Prices/margins drop, fierce competition (big cos acquire at loss). Need upsells.
Medicare Insurance: Sticky, recurring, valuable long-term. Sales/demand-based (selling risk, light delivery). Longer ramp, but incredibly valuable.
Choose by Time Horizon: Short-term = semi-glutide; long-term = insurance.
Business: Accounting firm. Gross revenue/accountant ~$200k, gross profit $120k (pay ~$80k).
Issue: Hard to find mid-level (CPA/EA license or path, director/manager level).
Advice:
- Farm system: Schools with referral programs for students on CPA/EA path.
- Direct outreach to accountants.
- Likely undercharging: Can't pay above-market rates. Raise prices to attract talent.
Alex Hormozi identifies a two-pronged issue: the business owner is undercharging, preventing payment of above-market rates to attract talent. Currently running on 60% gross margins, Hormozi's rule for services is 80% or higher. To hit 80% margins, need to make $400,000 per accountant annually.
Close rates are 80%, indicating potential to double or triple pricing. In a supply-constrained setup with high close rates, double or triple price immediately. This unlocks an extra $200,000 per year, allowing offers of $150k to accountants while still profiting more and reducing busyness.
To test, do the exact same pitch and just double the number at the end. If close rates drop, it doesn't matter due to existing supply constraints. For the monthly recurring model (bookkeeping, payroll, year-end taxes for $500k-$1M businesses), the owner undervalues it by not charging more.
If you thought it was that good, you would charge more. Put your money where your mouth is.
Current approach causes supply constraints and scaling issues—closing 4 out of 5 prospects. To escape, stop selling the old problem and just say the higher number. Worst case: prospect says no, and price can always revert.
Issue resolved. Call ends positively.
Hormozi reflects on the 4.5-hour live stream, appreciating viewers. Seeks feedback for his wife Laya to join future streams for diverse perspectives and more fun. Enjoys the format, plans more interaction. Finds fulfillment in helping businesses grow, like the accountant's firm, improving lives regardless of view counts. Thanks audience for support.
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