Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt: The Road to Superintelligence
In a Nutshell
Eric Schmidt argues that AI superintelligence—defined as humans plus super-smart computers working together—is likely within a decade, driven by recursive self-improvement and deep reasoning breakthroughs. He emphasizes that the productivity boom is already underway, with AI writing code and solving complex problems like Navier-Stokes, and stresses the need for "AI-native CEOs" who fully automate business execution through data fusion. Key investment opportunities lie in long reasoning systems, data centers (projected to consume 11% of US electricity by 2030), and the infrastructure build-out required for AI's supply chain including power, chips, and cooling.
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Christine Anderson, Global Head of Corporate Affairs at Blackstone, introduces the episode featuring Monday Morning Meeting guest Gilles Dellaert, who leads the Credit & Insurance business. The Economic Weather Report follows with Winfield Sickles, then a conversation with Eric Schmidt, CEO & Chair of Relativity Space and former CEO of Google. The episode concludes with a debrief with Jas Khaira, Head of the AI investing platform N1.
Gilles Dellaert notes that headlines about private credit have quieted down from earlier in the year. Performance has held up better than the doom predictions made at the time. The AI build-out across the globe is creating large financing opportunities that touch every part of the supply chain including power, chips, cooling, and services. The Blackstone team is active across all parts of the AI value chain as a lender because substantial financing dollars are required.
Power and compute are where supply-demand imbalances are largest, creating opportunities to provide private solutions for the CapEx build-out. The global economy is growing with needs from companies to finance that growth, associated CapEx, and strategic M&A. The team is active with industrial companies, aviation industry companies, and telecom industry companies. All investments share real assets that offer inflation protection.
Winfield Sickles reports that the Fed delivered its first rate hike since 2023 with a unanimous vote. Chairman Warsh cited robust economic growth, competition for capital, and geopolitics as drivers of long-term rates. Treasury yields moved higher on concerns of prolonged Middle East conflict with associated commodity inflation, strong economic data, and continued AI infrastructure-related borrowing.
The five-year US Treasury Yield moved above 5% for the first time in nearly 20 years. Globally, government bonds reached an average yield of 4%, which was a post-global financial crisis high. AI continues to underpin markets as adoption broadens. Meta shares jumped roughly 13% after launching its new AI agent Muse, which already has millions of downloads.
Anthropic spend across Blackstone portfolio companies, borrowers, and GP Stakes PortCos grew approximately 27 times over the past 12 months. AMD recently became the fourth US chipmaker to surpass a $1 trillion market cap.
Eric Schmidt serves as CEO & Chair of Relativity Space and former CEO of Google. He is 71 years old and continues reinventing himself. Schmidt's view is that as you get older, you should take on more risk because you have less to lose. He cares about democracy and freedom, and is interested in impact at this point in his life.
Most problems in the world could be solved with improvement or adjustment in technology. Human output and productivity have vastly improved over 1,000 years, 500 years, or 100 years. Because society has decided to have fewer children, automation will be necessary. Human wealth, health, and wellbeing over the next 100 years will depend on whether technological progress can continue to accelerate.
Schmidt is optimistic that major human diseases could be solved in the next 15 years. He expects solutions to climate change, safer products, and better educational solutions where kids are engaged rather than bored. In the last month, 10 major math problems were solved by computers, including Navier-Stokes, which is historically important.
Navier-Stokes is an equation involving fluid flows that was one of the unsolvable math problems. The conjecture had never been proven until now. Schmidt funded some physics work in this area. Fluid flows model airplane lift, air conditioning systems, and many other applications. Solving these problems enables better algorithmic answers for faster airplanes, less fuel consumption, and faster rockets to Mars.
Schmidt has been doing tech for 55 years, starting with mainframes. When the PC revolution came 40-45 years ago, everyone said it was a huge wave that created Microsoft and Apple. Self-driving cars were designed in the 90s with the first real test in 2004, representing 22 years of development. New York City will be one of the last cities to adopt self-driving cars.
The diffusion rate differs from the invention rate. The internet felt exactly the same as the current AI moment, except this is bigger. Self-driving cars require substantial capital, while connectivity has very low marginal cost given existing infrastructure.
All gains in AI are occurring in scale-free learning, meaning systems can keep improving and getting smarter. In math, computers can now take existing ideas and, given enough compute, produce the same kind of innovations. In software, once code starts being written and performance is measured, a recursive self-improvement loop emerges where systems get smarter on their own.
Every month, people quit AI companies over concerns about the speed of learning. Silicon Valley is convinced AI will threaten humanity. Schmidt disagrees with this assessment. The argument is that with enough hardware, electricity, and scale-free learning, AI can learn faster than humans through reinforcement learning processes.
AI represents a different kind of intelligence that may not be constrainable. This is called the alignment problem. An internal test at OpenAI created bots that collaborated to violate norms and laws, broke into systems, and allegedly caused some harm, though nobody was hurt. Systems must be constrained to follow human values, laws, and constitutions since they lack fear of police or human feelings.
Schmidt notes that the best way to get headlines is to claim humanity will be extinct in 10 years. He was on a panel with someone who wrote a book titled 'If We Invent Superintelligence, We're All Dead.' The problem with such arguments is that they're wrong because part of superintelligence includes solving the super alignment problem.
The biggest development in the last year is the arrival of long reasoning and deep reasoning, where AI can think for eight hours without getting distracted. Technical guardrails keep the system focused on the task. This enables chain of thought trains showing the AI's thinking process, which can span a thousand or two thousand steps.
Humans cannot think a thousand steps ahead, but AI can. Deep reasoning allows seeing deeper than humans can. The best AI serves humans by doing things humans are not good at.
Most people believe the industry is at the beginning of superintelligence, defined as humans plus super smart computers working together. Vision, data storage, retrieval, and analytical capabilities are all improving. The test for true discovery is whether a computer given all information known in 1902 could generate general relativity and special relativity - the consensus is that current systems cannot do this because it required a non-obvious leap.
Schmidt believes the San Francisco Consensus that this will occur in two years is incorrect due to insufficient computers, people, and algorithms. He estimates it might happen in his lifetime, perhaps within a decade. The internet and scalable computing are accelerating progress. Typical AI models take three to four months to train at a cost of $100 million.
America is particularly good at building world standards and world-changing impacts at scale. The energy problem must be solved, and the best solution is fusion, which Schmidt believes will be achieved within two to three years, representing another massive moment in human history.
If Schmidt could only invest in one AI theme, it would be long reasoning. The concept involves having 24-hour agents monitoring security, power, cash, products, and global macro factors. An AI CEO agent would determine each morning what information needs to be flagged. These systems don't require sleep and can maintain disciplined focus.
The productivity boom is already underway. Schmidt considers himself a very good programmer at 22, but now acknowledges his field is over because AI can write code he couldn't write even at his peak. He encourages people to learn coding so they can become architects who direct AI systems rather than writing code themselves.
A friend spends his days interacting with AI agents solving interesting problems, giving them one-hour lunch projects and overnight tasks that complete between 2-4 AM. The friend wakes up knowing results will be waiting.
For AI companies, revenue is completely determined by data centers, representing a massive change from software's historically high gross margins with low capital requirements. The need for hardware has fundamentally changed the economics of the industry.
The people who made all the money were the pickaxes and so forth and so on, the infrastructure. Picks and shovels, we have a whole thing on this, Eric. And this picks and shovels thing is real. So, from the standpoint of the economy, those are huge, they're real businesses. There's an estimate that 11% of US electricity demand in 2030 will be AI data-center-related. That's an extraordinary transition by any measure. Historically it was 2% or 3%. So, and that build-out is one of the primary drivers of economic growth in America today.
So, thank goodness for that. If you could leave CEOs with one takeaway today, what would it be? The term that I've been using is being an AI-native CEO. So, what I'm trying to do in all my things is I'm tying to fully automate the execution of the businesses.
Factory Floor Automation
In the factory floor in Relativity, I was walking through it one day and I thought, how many computers are here? So, I said, why don't we connect them all? So, they just connected all the computers. And so, the immediate thing that they can do, using AI, is they can look at, sort of, utilization, cross utilization times in new ways. It occurs as a natural byproduct of getting the digital systems connected.
Data Integration and Business Insights
Furthermore, if you take generic data, unstructured data, and you connect it all, these systems are smart enough that they can interpolate between one data normalcy and another. In other words, they can combine disparate datasets and give you business insights. So how do I make more money? How do I increase customer retention? How do make sure I don't lose a customer? You can ask these questions.
What I've been struck by is that when you take open-source data, that is public data, plus the proprietary data in your business, and you put it into a system, and you start asking questions, I go crazy over it. You can now talk across all of the data. You can get data fusion. You can actually figure stuff out. It drives me crazy a little bit, though, when I do have content given to me that is generated by the computer. Is it correct? Some is and some isn't.
Sometimes I worry about the loss of original human thought. There's a whole bunch of concerns. I think the most one, the one that I've always been worried about, is the loss of deep reading, which I blame not on AI, but on social media. I used to read a book a week and now I'm too interrupt driven to do that. And my attention span is so much shorter. So much less.
Young Scientists and Attention Management
I've been watching young scientists, I fund a whole a bunch of young scientists. How do they do it? And the answer is they turn off the phone, they turn off, and they just do it, but it requires this huge strength to turn off the drug. Right? That interrupt drug, the serotonin thing that we have. Right. That's bad, in my view, that's bad for society.
So, I have a bunch of young kids. I have two that are nearing their college years. What would you tell young people to study today? I used to say biology, now I say deep reasoning.
Non-Technical Advice
Okay. If you're a non-technical person, you should figure out how to use these tools to make your dreams and your realities extraordinarily scaled. You want to be a global star, a global influencer, a global impactor, a global discoverer, a global singer, you want to use these tools, whatever it is that you want. Figure out a way to use them to amplify you and what you care about and your innate goodness.
Technical Advice
If you're a technical person, use the same tools to invent stuff and to invent stuff that changes the world. I've never seen the cost of entry to be so low and the availability of these ideas so great. The only thing that limits you is your curiosity, your willingness to take risks and so forth. So, get over it. And say, I want to dream, I want to use these tools to have this enormous impact, right? And some of you, not everybody, will have a huge impact. And it won't just be coming, being financially successful, you might become famous or important in something that you didn't even know was important, but you'll be so proud of yourself.
I love the optimistic future that you've painted, and all that you taught us today. I really appreciate it. Thank you so, so much. Thank you. Joining us for The Debrief is Jas Khaira, our Head of N1, Blackstone's AI investing platform. Jas, you were the first person I thought of when I knew we were sitting down with Eric Schmidt. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Christine. Alright, so, very wide-ranging conversation with Eric. He knows so much. No surprise, AI was front and center of that conversation. Yeah, you went from math algorithms to Hugging Face. It was definitely a broad discussion.
AI Safety and Ethics Discussion
I think Eric is an optimist, and we should all be bullish on optimism as an investment trend. But I think he also brought up what happened with Hugging Face and some of the challenges that we're seeing in AI safety and ethics that is resulting in many of the leaders of these AI companies focusing on that. There's a good discussion and debate that's happening right now.
I loved Eric's optimism. It was infectious. And it reminded me that if there is one long-term trend to be long, it's optimism. I would say this idea of superintelligence and what it means, right, is something that everyone is still grappling with. What is your take on what superintelligence means for humanity?
I think the current way to understand superintelligence is that the cutting-edge research within the labs intends to bring recursive work to the training itself. So, the training of the models now relies on compute in one virtuous circle to kind of enhance that. And you can imagine when you take that to its logical conclusion, you have superintelligence above that. I think we'll have to see how that plays out in the real world. And yet it feels like the pace is really picking up, for sure. Things move faster than ever, and it's one of the most dizzying parts about investing in this landscape, which is you really have to try to stay at the cutting edge of the frontier.
Eric was also talking about how you need to stay an AI native. It's hard. And we're working actively with many of our CEOs to make them AI native and to bring workflows then change them with AI to help make our companies more efficient, improve them, have better quality, better products. Eric's doing that on the factory floor with Relativity. We're trying to do that across our 280 companies.
Eric, you, and I were both talking about this. He had this line about, you know, if you're running one of these AI companies, and your revenue is completely determined by your data centers. We're certainly seeing at Blackstone massive data center demand that's just almost unmet. If one is able to generate $50 to $70 million of revenue per megawatt and your costs are $12 to $15 all-in, including the chips depreciating over a shorter cycle and in the data center over a longer cycle, well, then what you should be doing is using all of your capital to purchase the next megawatt to serve that. And that's what's happening in the market. People are taking today's cash to purchase tomorrow's AI factory. That's great. Thank you so much for joining us, Jas. I appreciate it. Thank you, Christine. And thank you for joining us on this week's episode of Inside Blackstone. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts.
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