Joe Rogan Experience #2440 - Matt Damon & Ben Affleck
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Matt Damon recounts visiting dentist Stan in Brentwood on a Sunday morning for an emergency filling. While waiting, he hears Hunter S. Thompson yelling "PIG PIG" from the other room. Stan apologizes, explaining Hunter is in the chair. Damon listens to Thompson swear for 15 minutes. Stan then calls Damon back; Thompson is leaving with a jug of clear fluid (ethyl alcohol moonshine), offers Damon a sip at 10:00 AM. Thompson calls Damon an "assassin." Total interaction: seven minutes, described as perfect.
Joe Rogan mentions visiting Woody Creek Tavern, feeling Thompson's presence from the pictures on the walls.
Praise for Hunter S. Thompson's Writing
- Books: Hell's Angels, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (changed Rogan's life; depicts balding men with spectacles, lizards, day trip bag of acid), Rum Diary (descriptive, punchy, interesting).
- Lived the life he wrote about.
- Evolution: Hell's Angels (early, restrained, edgy for the time with violence like beatings by Angels); by Fear and Loathing (1972), found his voice—assigned by Sports Illustrated to cover a race but "lost his mind."
Joe Rogan: "Very nice to meet you guys... I love the movie. The rip is great. It's really good. It's so original... not like any one that I've ever seen before. Really solid movie."
They discuss press junkets where critics hate the movie but pretend otherwise ("How you guys been?" indicates dislike).
- Shift because most people watch on streaming (Netflix: 330 million viewers).
- Historically: 1940s, movies were main entertainment (alternative: watch cows); TV reduced attendance.
- Now: YouTube, TikTok; hard to excite kids about theaters.
- Their teen years: every weekend at movies, often switching due to crowds.
- COVID accelerated: lockdowns, no theaters; Damon's dark drama (alcoholic father after kid's death) rushed to streaming, reached audience.
- Home viewing improved: $200 for 65-inch flatscreen with good sound vs. old small TVs.
- Streamers produce great shows.
Recommendation: Adolescence (Netflix)
Ben Affleck recommends Adolescence (4 episodes, each one continuous shot; cast rehearsed one week, shot twice daily for full hour; phenomenal acting, writing, about kids accused of murder; dark, tragic, intense with long silent shots like back-of-head in car). Director discussed process.
Other great streamer shows: Baby Reindeer, Succession, Game of Thrones, Ozark.
- When starting out, big stigma: TV to movies hard.
- ER: 40 million weekly viewers (few channels); Clooney became superstar but didn't renegotiate (stayed at ~$20K/episode vs. Anthony Edwards' $1M on final episode) to exit for movies—gave up years on biggest show.
- TV differences: commercials, rules (no swearing, limited violence); scheduled; now streamers allow risks without schedules.
- Movies shifted to IP (sequels, superheroes) due to theater attendance drop; 1990s: great independent films, daring; now conservative due to costs.
Theatrical vs. Streaming Economics
- $25M movie: spend equal on ads; need $100M box office (50% split with theaters) to break even.
- Must get everyone to specific theater/time amid noise.
- Risk aversion: prefer proven IP.
- Streamers: no stars needed, more interesting/experimental.
- Theater costs: $100 for family vs. $20/month streaming.
- Decision: Big screen for epics like Odyssey trailer/battles; home for others (pause, kids, etc.).
- Like church: appointed time, community with strangers (e.g., Rogan took family/nephews to One Battle IMAX).
- Home: distractions (lights on, kids/dogs), less attention.
- Impacts filmmaking: Traditional action (3 set pieces ramping to third-act finale); now Netflix wants big action in first 5 minutes, reiterate plot (viewers on phones).
- Adolescence succeeds without: no early hook, dark, long silences—exception proving quality wins.
Adapting to Viewer Habits
- Can't fight supply/demand: phones/TikTok; make best content.
- Not existential threat—marginal shifts (TV didn't kill theaters).
- Upside: more experimental/risk-taking films.
- Netflix data: tune-out in first 5 minutes → adjust.
- Example: Tony Hinchcliffe's Kill Tony on Netflix gets notes on drop-off points.
- Theater walk-out threshold higher than channel-surfing.
- Challenging films possible in theaters (directors want upsetting movies).
Anecdote: Taxi Driver (1976) Audience Reaction
Terry Kinney: Saw Taxi Driver first run in NY; disturbed, stood at back door with two others—invested but couldn't leave (streaming: would switch off).
- 1970s movies: 25-30 min first acts (The Verdict, Deer Hunter).
- Streaming: low walk-out threshold (switch to Naked and Afraid).
- Hunger (Steve McQueen): 5 minutes no dialogue, people doing tasks—let it breathe.
- Early cinema: Train-into-station demo; audience stared at projector (event).
Competing views: Jim Cameron makes 3-hour Avatar despite advice (top-grossing films).
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- Setup: If film performs well, entire crew gets bonuses.
- Self-serving: Motivates investment beyond paycheck; better movies.
- Business changing (strikes); 1,200 people need reliable middle-class jobs.
- Fairness: No participation historically despite promises/effort.
- Everyone got full rates/hourly—no cuts; extra if success.
- Important: Above-the-line vs. below-the-line delineation.
They delineate above the line (directors, producers) and below the line (painters, greensmen, camera operators, drivers) in the industry. When starting Artists Equity, they recognized that below-the-line crew makes movies better, but economics have been mispriced. In big successes, directors and bankable actors bring their ride-or-die crew. Department heads (cinematographer, camera, grip, electric) demonstrably improve movie quality. A great crew is like a band—no need for new members.
Crew members are filmmakers who understand the vision. Relaxed environments enable magical moments and best actor performances. Colin Anderson, camera operator (not cinematographer), is the greatest in Hollywood—evidence in his resume of great movies like Marty Supreme (shot battles). Film is collaborative; no solo painters or novelists here.
Matt Damon as lead in Air (directed by Ben Affleck) set a positive tone: serious work without being a dick. Best directing creates an environment where people feel safe to fail, ideas are heard, and everyone contributes—like a prop master's assistant finding Phil Knight's waffle sole shoe on eBay. Bonuses and recognition make them go the extra mile.
Bonus Structure
Codified bonus structure in paychecks, developed by them. Retroactively shared extra money when under budget. First time with Netflix: bonuses pegged to viewership hours in first 90 days (e.g., matching a known hit gets 20% bonus). Five tiers: single, double, triple, home run, grand slam (110% of all Netflix viewers, like everyone watching plus 10% rewatching). K-pop Demon Hunters achieved it.
We're communists, Joe. We're from Cambridge. Keep the car running.
Each deal differs by studio/platform, but shares success.
Strikes fought over sharing data. Traditional residuals for SAG: line in a hit movie meant $2,000 check for rent. Streaming lacks clear success metrics—no tickets sold. First watch post-subscription (e.g., The Bear for Hulu) indicates value, but subscription model like gym membership: same cost regardless of usage. Netflix offers unlimited content vs. theater's seven movies.
Library content (Orange is the New Black, Suits, Seinfeld, Friends, Cupcake Wars) drives volume (Americans watch 6 hours TV/day, 6 on phone).
Joe Carnahan brought script (known 25 years from Narc, Ben in one of his films like Gone Baby Gone?). Read it, bought for company, Joe wanted to direct. Not just their movies—collaborate with respected people. Traditional studio model assigns value based on last film's budget. Instead, best price upfront, pro rata sharing.
Netflix open to template: lowers upfront risk for edgier/R-rated originals (Air, Sinners, Marty Supreme). Success benefits all ongoing.
AI weird but useful like electricity—some good, some disruptive. ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini writes shitty, averages to mean, unreliable. Useful tool for writers (e.g., delayed letter examples), not whole scripts/movies. Tech not progressing as hyped; a VFX tool.
Protect name/likeness (existing laws: watermark, sue for misuse). Guilds manage: saves money/time (shoot North Pole scene in parkas, VFX it). Replaces painted backdrops or 500 low-wage renderers. Already tile extras (Lord of the Rings orcs, Invictus stadium).
Fear exaggerated; adoption slow/incremental. Rhetoric justifies valuations (no work in 2 years). GPT-5 ~25% better than GPT-4, costs 4x electricity/data—plateauing, expensive to improve. Most use as companion bots (no productivity/social value).
Fills expensive/burdensome gaps, relies on human artistry. Ubiquitous AI increases appreciation for real/handmade (cassettes, Claire Danes in The Beast in Me—lips quiver, believable).
Interviewed Dwayne: scene where overdosed character (directed by Benny Safdie) tap-dances defensively, then pulls sheet over head. From Dwayne's father (alcoholic/substance abuse bargaining style) and mother (stage 3 lung cancer diagnosis, pulled sheet like a kid). Actor pulls lived trauma for authentic performance—no AI replicates human experience relayed through art.
Emily Blunt's arguments best ever (told Chris Nolan, who implied she's great in Oppenheimer too). Knew Mark Kerr from 1997 UFC; Dwayne channels him, not just superhero role.
Forgot it was Dwayne; transformation from start. Didn't get the credit it deserved in terms of like the amount of people that
"Here Comes the Boom" didn't get the credit it deserved for the number of people who saw it, but over time people appreciated it. It's a movie people return to because it's about MMA, but not just about meatheads—it's a great movie with fantastic scenes, excellent acting, and realistic fight scenes that recreate real fights accurately. It captures Mark Kerr's crazy struggle.
The Smashing Machine documentary was filmed when Mark Kerr was at the height of his powers, a terrifying 265 lb of solid muscle blowing through opponents. No one knew he was a drug addict. He spiraled during filming, allowing cameras to capture him shooting up, carrying giant bags of pills, and falling apart—turning a hero documentary into a live breakdown. It's an amazing documentary.
They adapted it into a film, giving Dwayne Johnson a vehicle to show his capabilities beyond typical roles limited by his galactic success. He pushes for challenging roles against what studios want for profit. His experience changed him.
Superhero actors get boxed in, especially with Dwayne's physique. Now he's thinner, having lost weight. Dave Bautista went through similar, transitioning from wrestling to movies, seeking range and leverage as a beloved star.
It's hard to bring audiences to new work: like bands playing new songs at concerts instead of hits. At a Rolling Stones concert, new songs prompted audiences to get beers. Every artist faces this choice; Dwayne made it successfully, keeping his hulkish frame while showing depth.
Movies create empathy—you project personal experiences like a father's death or feeling alone onto blank screens, inspiring hope. They breed compassion by immersing you in another's perspective.
The most amazing trick is when famous actors make you forget it's them. Example: Ethan Hawke described a scene with Kevin Bacon (gun to his head) in the end-of-the-world movie with Julia Roberts ("tomorrow something"—likely The Day After Tomorrow). You're locked in despite knowing the actors—it's hypnosis where everyone lives the scene.
You recognize real human emotions like sorrow or anxiety instinctively. Actors try to hide real crying; people pull sheets over their heads.
Great actors tractor-beam you in effortlessly, like riding the easiest wave. Proud work feels easy; forced work feels empty. Trust when it flows.
In their movie, a scene with conflict between them felt real because Ben Affleck blanks Matt Damon, frustrating him genuinely. Damon demands answers; Affleck gives weird looks. Affleck ad-libs, "I would have never [treated] you like this," unscripted, born from real irritation. They watched playback—it worked because Affleck did nothing, leaving Damon out in the cold.
Ad-libbing happens naturally with safe collaborators; otherwise, self-governance kicks in. Directors/writers who demand precise words differ, but flexibility allows better moments. Real talk never involves plotting next lines—focus on scene's essence.
Curb Your Enthusiasm excels because Larry David provides loose agendas; actors stumble into awkwardness, talking over each other realistically. It forces listening, hardest for young actors.
Paul Greengrass works similarly: know your character's needs (e.g., Damon as chief warrant officer securing house, interrogating). With real combat veterans and Miami cops, authenticity osmosis happens—audience senses legitimacy.
Movie based on real Miami tactical narcotics team led by Chris Casiano (Joe's friend, Damon's character basis). Rode along, observed operations; team in film, Chris as advisor for protocols (e.g., door entry).
Miami perfect setting—saw Cocaine Cowboys. Entire police academy graduating class murdered or jailed. Cocaine 80s: no stigma, more banks per capita for laundering; more Jaguar dealerships (cash sales, no questions).
Flying over Bimini (50 miles off Florida): dozens of submerged Cessnas. Smugglers crash-landed planes in shallow water (5-10 feet), offloaded drugs to 10 waiting cigarette boats as plane sank. Coast Guard chases one; 1/10 chance. Planes visible in clear water.
Sully landed a 737 safely; these at 55 knots. Shaped culture via Miami Vice.
Cocaine Cowboys pilot (from Boston): "We could have gotten away forever" if not ratted out.
Many got wealthy (houses), including banks, jewelers. Backyards buried millions—no place to store cash.
Perfect film backdrop: real DEA agents/cops turn dirty from temptation ($20M piles). Everyday people face ethics tests (custody battles, sick relatives). Characters human, not 2D—nobody immune.
Heroism in grinding daily, sleeping clean, adhering to ethics without stealing. No preaching—audience rejects lectures. No suspension of disbelief; believable blockbuster.
Real details from advisors; actors grilled cops (sweatshirts, hair gel). Like Michael J. Fox studying James Woods (real detective) in The Hard Way—cops tolerant.
Details matter; convinced that like an
Ben Affleck explains audiences feel disbelief rather than analyze it, often due to missing authentic details. He relies on research for authenticity, as in The Town, where he visited federal and state prisons in Massachusetts, talked to truck and bank robbers, and FBI agents. Dressed in prison denim, after two hours with one robber:
"Does anything just weird ever happen? Anything you remember?"
The robber recounts robbing a truck with masks, switch car, pulling up with guns, spotting a cop on construction duty. They stare; the cop looks away.
"He didn't want to end up on the wall at the VFW."
Affleck immediately included it in The Town as a key moment with Jeremy Renner: crew jumps out, awkward standoff, cop turns away. Simple human calculation—cop avoids becoming the next VFW poster. Everyone understands; no drama, easy decision, can't blame him.
Joe Rogan praises The Town, shares knowing similar people from boxing gyms: hitman for Whitey Bulger, friend of a brother jailed for murder.
Personal Backgrounds with Crime
Rogan grew up in Newton and Jamaica Plain, spent time in Boston training fighters around shady characters with crime backgrounds. One training partner jailed briefly, later arrested (not convicted) peripherally for brutal murder: victim had every bone broken with hammer, injected with cocaine to stay awake, hands and head cut off. He's dead now.
Affleck notes actors get people to open up, even admitting killings, as rules don't apply. For The Town, consulted unarrested criminals known for jobs. Lesson: people never as expected. Violent murderer (stabbed two at Faneuil Hall, shot others in robbery) arrives in tucked-in polo shirt, friendly.
Surprising Traits of Elite Operators and Fighters
Trained with Delta Force (fewer than 900 ever, most elite; SEALs may disagree numerically): not biggest/toughest, relaxed, at ease. Asked what makes a good operator:
"Problem solving... Yeah, it's probably like your job."
Delta guy compares to acting (solving problems trying to kill you). Rogan: guys like Tom Brady don't get tight, solve under pressure (e.g., crashed helicopter 200 miles in Afghanistan, outnumbered). Attracted to calm leaders in panic. Secure people confident, avoid fights, don't need to prove toughness.
MMA fighters often sweetest, nicest. Backstage at Staples Center UFC event, met Henry Cejudo in khakis, blue button-up, spectacles—small, unassuming, could "wreck" him. Looks like someone a dummy would pick on. They prove in cage, no need for machismo (sign of insecurity). Secure people calm, friendly.
Film reveals complex characters, reformulates ideas of people (tough men, etc.).
Humility, Complexity, and Humanizing Villains
Fundamental challenge: humility—assume you might be wrong, others have points. Avoid zero-sum: zeroing out humanity to defend ideas signals flawed thinking. Can't be right about everything, others bad.
Sopranos: love Tony, a murderer/thug who kills friends—complicated, cared deeply.
Marlon Brando in A Streetcar Named Desire humanized Stanley Kowalski; Tennessee Williams wrote him as two-dimensional brute, but Brando made audiences empathize, changing the play. Reflects reality: everyone's hero of their story, has reasons.
Slippery slope (e.g., in RIP): first small money, cover lies to avoid jail, protect crew/code—leads to killing. Digging holes covering last problem. Roots for self/family needs.
Harder honest view allows complexity, forgiveness vs. binary good/bad. Cancellation: one act stains forever, exaggerates, casts out perpetually. Prefer 18 months jail, pay debt, done. Public excoriation endless. Pile-on lacks empathy—text on screen, sixth-grade instinct to isolate for safety/joy (not me in trouble). Remove forgiveness: no admitting wrong without outcast status. No one is sum of worst moment; judge by capacity for good/beauty. Tribal sport.
Who wants world without forgiveness/redemption? Denies humans regret, improve. Most trusted people (even with kids) have regretted objective wrongs (addiction, etc.), admit: "I did it, sorry, wrong"—trustworthy vs. always-right deniers.
Attackers often hide questionable pasts by pointing fingers.
Grace in Film and Family Movie Nights
Wake Up Dead Man: Knives Out 3—beautiful on grace's role, dignity, recognizing bigger than self, getting better. Not religious argument; surprised both loved it, best of three. Daniel Craig fantastic; Josh O'Connor (priest, great in The Crown).
Film consumption: work watching cuts, keep up with others (end-of-year crunch). Son (13) into movies via Letterboxd, TikTok critique of trailers stung editors. List: rewatched Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Scorsese—better than remembered. Joyful watching/discussing with uninterested older kids (familiarity breeds contempt). Sports instead; no pressure for family business.
Happiest: watching movies with son sharing thoughts.
Still love film, never a job—dream since kids, high school theater together.
It was lucky to get work; the goal was to make a living as an actor without side jobs like waiter, contractor, or dental assistant. Don't need much money, especially with kids—dinner theater, rent parties, or any job to keep acting.
Love watching people passionate about their work on YouTube, like watch repairers or furniture makers. Everyone wants to be lost in what they love, with true purpose—it's hypnotic and beautiful.
In Joe Versus the Volcano, Tom Hanks goes to buy luggage. Salesman: > "You like luggage, sir?" Luggage is his central preoccupation. Greatest scene; asked Tom Hanks about it during Saving Private Ryan. Actor was a Broadway performer who worked one day. At end, with unlimited budget (Hanks thinks he's dying), salesman opens dream trunk with music: > "If I had the means, sir..." Hanks: > "I'll take two." Salesman: > "May you live to be a thousand years old."
Most realistic depiction of war ever made. Matt Damon arrived late (shot chronologically, he's only in last act). Spielberg cut all boat dialogue: > "No talking for the first 27 minutes." Original script had lines like: > "Look at the man next to you—he won't live to see the beach," > "Two out of three of you will die—look left, right, feel bad for them." Cut for puking, chaos, screams, then boom into action.
Technical Innovations
Cinema-changing: opened shutter fully for motion blur skip, bleach bypass in developing film (possibly 22-23 frames). Maximizes light for super-sharp frames; dust/mortar explosions feel adrenalized, fluid. Nobody had done it before—masterful use of tools with great idea.
Spielberg embodies passion connected to greatness. Seen in sports, fighting. Air explores Michael Jordan's greatness: what it means, how it touches/changes everyone, inspires improvement.
Cost of Greatness
Mystery of greatness: what it's like, how achieved, what it takes, the cost. To be truly great, abandon everything—seen empirical suffering in greats. > "You have to be that thing to be that thing." Never finished, never enough, can't enjoy it—burden. Want heroes to flourish, but real cost exists.
Personal Relationships Sacrifice
Massive cost in relationships—no time for other things. Single-minded obsession damages bonds: > "You don't give a shit about anybody else. No, I do—I just care about this more." Causes injury knowingly, but rewarded. Inspire strangers, ruin relationships. > "Don't meet your heroes."
Fuel from Greatness
Watching greatness fuels desire to improve—great game, touchdown, film, song. Sacrificial element: we consume it to move culture forward, but performers may not get enough.
Impact of Great Films
Great films change lives. Rocky (age 7-8): ran around block (never run before), ate raw eggs, life-changing. Denzel Washington in Malcolm X (age 19): > "I want to be a better man."
Dealing with Fan Praise
Uncomfortable with > "I love that movie"—feels for towering giants like Spielberg, not self. Good Will Hunting inspired Hollywood script-writing. Cost of fame: fans approach, but wanting praise opposes creative mindset.
Counterintuitive: success brings praise, but can't indulge— > "I'm doing something else right now. Can't be wrapped up in changing your life." Never satisfied, or not good enough. Darkness of greatness.
Fighters' Parallels
Great fighters never satisfied; small window of greatness—burn RPMs at redline, then knees/back fail.
Tom Brady (49) still elite, could play now (skill position). Running back/cornerback no. Elite MMA (USADA/drug-free testing): 9 years peak—no testosterone/growth hormone.
Jon Jones beat Daniel Cormier on coke (press conference quip). Beat Alexander Gustafsson partying—no gym/training (trainer confirmed). Sparring story (Brendan Schaub, top-10 heavyweight): perfect prep, Jon arrives post-4AM sleep, runs through 6 guys as warm-up (light heavyweight vs heavies).
Family and Background
Two brothers super athletes: Chandler/Arthur Jones (Patriots).
Fight IQ and Preparation
Super intelligent, studies tape meticulously. Spinning kick (to opponent, thanked taekwondo coach): practiced both sides from tape study. Heel deep into body cavity—even glancing devastating. Sets up, boom—over. Moved to heavyweight (light heavy no challenge), two-division champ. Lacks power vs heavies, focused on spinning back kick. Genius: meticulous game planning/study, full camps only—even guys he beats easily.
Personal Troubles
Troubled: arrests, DUIs, wild. Pursuit costs personal life. Knocks out Deepay, does Trump dance—top of world, but immediately > "what's next?" Another challenge looms.
After losing welterweight title to BJ Penn, in-octagon interview: > "It's actually a relief." Pressure of being chased by world crushing. Brave warrior honesty: > "Needed to step off the top of the hill."
Everything exposed in camp: 5 fresh guys rotate 5 rounds (30-sec breaks). Beat/smothered/exhausted daily to find limits, surpass (extra rounds, strength/conditioning). Peak for fight only—overtrain (savages won't leave gym), no recovery, exhausted between rounds.
Championship Exhaustion
Insane overtraining exhaustion: can't bounce back, legs blasted, can't evade.
Hélio Gracie: no rounds/time limits early days— > "Need time to cook them" on ground (jiu-jitsu: stay ahead till exhaustion, constrict). Proponent: no standups—takedown advantage; don't reward striker unearned stand at round start. Continuous fight, restart exact position. Balance realism vs watchability.
Rule Changes for Realism
Rid cage (use to stand, foreign object)—fight on basketball court mats, harder to stand in center. UFC would struggle: quick takedowns, 24.5 min ground. Give fighters more money.
Human spirit elevated: 3 months prep, > "Are you ready? Are you ready? Fight!" Intensity like old Tyson fights—audience builds, can't help feeling. Some fights end up being
Some fights end up being disappointing, but that moment is always there. Tyson was a crazy example of greatness: you could dedicate your whole life, get up at the right time, eat right, train perfectly, but then Tyson smokes you in 13 seconds. There's nothing you can do. He had a look in his eye that scared opponents—one of the only fighters where you could see the other guy was terrified. Usually fighters hold it together, but with Tyson, they felt the tiger being let out. We're old enough to remember his prime; those fights were executions. You didn't want to buy the pay-per-view because they ended so fast. They cut to Alex Stewart's wife crying as they came to the center of the ring—for good reason, this man might kill my husband. Guys were ready to quit. Remember the white kid who fought him—his trainer couldn't wait to throw in the towel at the bell to save his life.
Brain Damage in Fighters
McNeil is up now too; when you hear him talk, it's rough. That's the dark side of MMA and fighting. Johnny Knoxville was knocked unconscious 16 times and seems normal, but when you talk to fighters with brain damage, they're slurring, words mumble together, struggling. They'll be on a downhill slope for life; it gets way worse 10 years after injuries as it really sets in. Some therapies help: magnetic therapy re-stimulates neuron growth. Psilocybin cures brain issues. It's been acknowledged now, especially for soldiers with PTSD, drug addiction, CTE from bombs, IEDs, concussions—psychedelics help them.
In Texas, former Governor Rick Perry started the Ibogaine Initiative using ibogaine from the iboga tree to help soldiers. It's a psychedelic, not recreational—a difficult 24-hour trip where you see your entire life, problems, emotional hitches. For addictions, 84% quit with one treatment; it rewires the brain, severs physical pathways (e.g., opiate addiction gone). With two treatments, success in the 90s. Illegal since 1970. Rick Perry, working with veterans, got behind it; Texas passed it for soldiers, now police—who experience more PTSD. A cop friend (also military) said daily death/violence as a cop was worse than deployment; every day responding to worst moments, pulling over cars that might shoot (tinted windows, expired plates, unknown threats). Videos show cops shot during stops. They go home to be normal dads/neighbors, but heads are hurricanes. Ibogaine helps find roots, get off pills.
Hunter S. Thompson and Ed Muskie Rumor
During presidential elections, Hunter S. Thompson started rumor Ed Muskie was on ibogaine (in Gonzo documentary, interviewing with Dick Cavett). Sold it so well, frontrunner Muskie cracked—thought Brazilian witch doctors treating him. Hunter knew esoteric drugs; casually mentions stopping for ibogaine at gas station with needles.
Ibogaine helps brain damage via neuroregeneration. Many fighters silently suffer. Boxing vs. football: gloves supposed to reduce impact, but subconcussive blows worse—repeated small brain bleeds. All head knocks bad. Training worse: 40-50 MMA fights mean thousands of gym rounds. Smart camps spar light, go live once/week with trusted partners; hostile gyms dangerous. Football hits like truck from 300lb athlete, but not always head-targeted. MMA better for grapplers (take down, ground control), but all pay price for glory—that 16,000 screaming high unbeatable, chased lifelong; post-career detachment.
Athletes have short window—you improve with experience as skills decline. Pete Sampras at 32 retiring while actors/filmmakers continue forever, getting better. Aging athlete drama powerful: do I still have it?
Vitor Belfort won UFC heavyweight tournament at 19 (1997, Rogan's first event). Declined in 30s; UFC allowed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)—he used superhuman levels (TRT Vitor years terrifying). Veteran mind + 25-year-old body; annihilated opponents. Now banned—no testosterone, peptides, anything. Peptides help soft tissue heal, optimize natural hormones—no endocrine shutdown like steroids; better for unhealthy job.
Cheating and Testing
Big camps hire scientists for test-slipping drugs (BALCO, Barry Bonds clear). Animal-derived testosterone evades carbon isotope tests (synthetic from wild yam). Bull testosterone (injected Hitler). IVs mask by diluting (saline floods ratios). Only food/approved third-party supplements (e.g., Thorne).
TRT Vitor fights favorite. Visual: TRT Vitor jacked vs. post-ban skinny. Luke Rockhold: at weigh-ins, "muscles on his teeth," knew on something. Levels 1100 normal to 18,900—raging gorilla confidence, berserker. Rare natural outliers like prime Tyson ok; lab creations not. Vitor tested way over.
Wolverine stack: BPC-157 + TB-500 (Thymosin Beta-4). Shoot locally into injury—pro football player hamstring pull back in 2 weeks vs. 3 months normal rehab. Systemic ok, but local best. Unlike cortisone (numbs, weakens tendons).
Enhanced Games and Steroids
Enhanced Games in Vegas: drug Olympics for cash. Barry Bonds/Sammy Sosa/Mark McGwire home run era exciting despite steroids—elite athletes enhanced. Let Jon Jones juice; fight till 50. Jon beat prime Vitor (armbar hyperextended elbow, fought one-armed next round, arm useless year). Dream Team pros in Olympics won by 70; fun. Last vs. France great. Amateurism outdated (college sports changing; NCAA billion-dollar TV deals exploiting).
Discussion on paying college athletes, especially in football like Nebraska. They're filling seats and deserve money via NIL deals, ending exploitation. Not all will make NFL; average career 2-2.5 years depending on position, with constant risk of catastrophic injury. Fair to pay them unlike flipping burgers post-college.
Acting contrasts as non-body reliant career you can do forever until you lose it, with competitive aspect of betting on yourself to create interesting content.
Key factors: director most important, then script. After reading thousands, emotional reaction hits: something moves you, reread it. Ultimate decision is saying yes, last point of total control. Then you're committed for 6 months, 80-16 hour days, fraught post-production, selling it, facing criticism.
I've been on movies where a month into a six-month shoot I knew it wouldn't work.
Worst feeling: knowing it'll get crushed, still have to promote.
Press still important, but degree varies. Doing JRE more meaningful than week's New York interviews (quick 5-minute outlets, evening/day shows). Traditional feels produced, forced, gimmicky; people resistant to song-and-dance "looks great" promo.
People trust friends/cousins in feed or rare neutral arbiters whose opinions unpredictable.
Paradox: entertainment shortens (7s, 15s, 6s social spots), yet hunger for 2-hour long-form discussions growing, like podcasts with massive audiences. People seek authenticity, willing to invest time in trusted voices for context, nuance, back-and-forth.
Selective about granting voice; voice of public via viral online buzz takes off organically, has more weight than promo.
If somebody I respect says "you got to see that," means more than anything.
Traditional press inefficient (e.g., sitting with Trisha Zanaka); people see through selling every movie good or bad. Word-of-mouth from friends/ media experience decides.
Benefit: host chooses guests voluntarily (e.g., Rogan does on phone). Means more; listener agrees with host often, gives it shot.
Podcasts started as welcome civil conversations amid divisive soundbites, hysteria. Hearing differing views discussed humanely lowers cortisol vs phone news frenzy.
Approach with humility: don't abandon beliefs but keep listening.
Real world lacks long conversations; people starve for shared cultural experience like "we listened to that podcast."
Why distrust media: compresses truth for money/ratings. FCC once required objective news hour at loss; now profit-driven, incentivizes simplification, outrage, one-sided ideas.
More info access than ever, but much horseshit; hard to stay balanced. Long talks reveal flaws, ego, deception; people have good instincts, form own judgments.
People reveal themselves; don't need editorialists telling what to think.
Pete Buttigieg said podcasts dangerous: stick to talking points 30-60s ok, but hours reveals you as robot or off-message.
Leads to concocted responses even on casual topics like cooking to look good, avoid cultural traps.
Online too much: overly concerned with perceptions, handcuffed, terrified to misspeak, no time for own opinions.
Realize nobody cares as much as you think; illusion in 20s/30s that slip-ups matter forever. Most worry about own lives; passing attention fades.
If someone fixates, something wrong with them ignoring own life.
Praise for movie (awesome, loved it, go see The Instigators implied from context); enjoyed years of their films. Great having Matt Damon & Ben Affleck; normal, nice, cool. Give more hours next time. Thanks, bye.
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