Joe Rogan Experience #2452 - Roger Avary
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Discussion of classic news bloopers like "We'll do it live! Fuck it! Do it live!" from behind-the-scenes footage. Reference to William Shatner doing ADR for the Star Trek cartoon, mispronouncing "sabotage" as corrected by studio: "Bill, it's pronounced sabotage. Please don't correct me. It disgusts me. It sickens me. You say sabotage, I say sabotage."
Orson Welles in Gallo Wine ads: "before it's time." Blooper where he exhaustively sucks air and mocks the wine's poor quality between takes. Exists on a CD compilation of celebrities losing it during voice-over and ADR.
Citizen Kane (1941) about William Randolph Hearst, who shut down Welles' career. Rosebud was nickname for Hearst's girlfriend's clitoris, a jab by Welles. Welles' innovations: dug hole with pickaxe for low camera angle on phone. Famous opening reverse tracking dolly shot through window from young Kane sledding in snow to parents and attorney inside, balancing extreme exposure differences with massive interior lighting; table flown in/out for camera path. Wartime film, late 1940s (actually 1941). People escape to movies during wartime/depression.
Be careful, Charles. Pull your muffler around your neck, Charles. Kane, I think we shall have to tell him now. ... There ain't nothing wrong with Colorado. I don't see why we can't raise our own son just because we come into some money.
Touch of Evil (1958), Welles' favorite of his films. Opening 3+ minute crane shot in Venice, California (pretending to be Mexican border town like Tijuana): sets bomb in car trunk; follows sweaty Charlton Heston as Mexican with pencil-thin mustache (Heston supports Welles' vision). Shot with heavy Mitchell BNCR camera (cast iron, needs 4 men, with blimp soundproofing encasing; opens via trap doors). Avary owns one bought from director Charles Wittenmeier, used on The Godfather.
Old movies let scenes cook with natural daily life pacing to set tone; now built for Netflix short attention spans.
Sid Field's screenwriting book: inciting event by page 7, etc. Adopted by executives. Netflix white papers dictate cameras, labs, tech specs; now extending to story structure based on analytics of audience attention (blamed on COVID shots frying pineal glands, cell phones). Streaming designed to eliminate residuals. Digital cinema lacks film's power. Film: every frame costs money (~4 cents), forces preparation, captures lightning in bottle; film developed into "stained glass windows." Digital: endless rolling cheaper to stop/start, but Video Village with producers/execs on monitors kills moments; directors run back/forth.
Film vs digital like oil vs watercolor paint—different mediums. Digital flatter (light bounces off sensor vs exposes silver halide on acetate). Counter with lens flare by shooting into sun (vs backlit for depth). Soap operas shot on video looked weird vs film like NewsRadio. Portrait mode blurs background artificially. Nostalgia associates old film faults (gate weave, sepia, dust, fast motion from projector cranking) as cinematic; now added as filters. iPhone footage becomes cinematic norm; e.g., James Gunn Superman, del Toro Frankenstein use wide lenses replicating iPhone infinite depth.
Joe loves del Toro's The Strain (good until rushed last quarter), Pan's Labyrinth; dislikes Frankenstein. Avary: huge fan of del Toro's artistry/sketchbooks/Mexican passion, but not wild about movies overall. Likes Blade 2 most (accessible). Patton Oswalt bit on Wesley Snipes replaced by "cooler" version in Blade 3.
Blade was probably the favorite, especially Blade one. Blade three is remembered, but Blade two is forgotten. Blade is the favorite comic book vampire movie because of fandom for the Blade comic book series. Also liked the Pacific Rim movie and the moment in Frankenstein at the Miller's house where the creature learns language, how to speak, be, and morals. That sequence could have been an entire movie; it was beautifully made. The rest was melancholic and hard to engage with, flat, and too long.
Ridley Scott clips through dialogue scenes efficiently, doing essentials in 30 seconds like a commercial, yet movies are two hours long and involved. Loved Nosferatu but haven't seen the new one; needed the right mood. Loves the director's first movie, The Witch (great film, director is a production designer), doing a werewolf movie now. Did not like his Moby Dickish lighthouse movie with Willem Dafoe; it was garish and lost its way halfway.
Adores Werner Herzog and his Nosferatu with Klaus Kinski. Original Nosferatu is the 1922 Murnau film with Max Schreck, seen at the library at age 10. Herzog had no German filmmaking forefathers due to World War II brutality, so looked to grandfather Murnau. His film is haunted by the original, displaced in time. Herzog grew up in upper Bavaria mountains without a telephone until teens. In emotional beach scene with Mina and Jonathan Harker saying goodbye, stays in wide shot of isolated figures for melancholy instead of Hollywood close-up tears. Klaus Kinski is the madman actor of German cinema; documentary My Best Fiend covers Herzog-Kinski relationship. Herzog revisits Berlin apartment where he met Kinski, now occupied by conservative German couple; recounts Kinski smashing and shitting on walls for provocation, bringing crazy real vampire energy. Herzog's Nosferatu from 1979 or late 70s.
Will see new Nosferatu; Bill Skarsgård plays the vampire (also the clown). They watch Herzog clip: Kinsky scene with knife cut, English version dubbed; original German incredible. Bruno Ganz terrified of real bite from Kinsky's fake teeth. New Nosferatu clip: castle entry, captures creepiness, surreal trance, skewed reality, quick time passage, confusion. Feels haunted by Herzog as Herzog by Murnau; enjoy all three. Modern step-frame, unique castle and vampire design, feeding method. Movie in washes of darkness, candle-lit; digital excels in darkness unlike film. In Silent Hill, shot dark scenes on digital, daylight on film for dissonance. Warming to new Nosferatu, owns Blu-ray, waiting for right mood. Favorite vampire movie ever.
30 Days of Night great fun vampire movie, but new Nosferatu better. I Am Legend good vampire-like contagion film with Will Smith (not zombies). What We Do in the Shadows by Taika Waititi (Polynesian director who did Thor), mid-2000s mockumentary comedy of vampires living in a house, takes vampire mythology funnily; his best film. Trailer: flatmates tensions (Deacon hasn't moved dishes in 5 years), Viago 18th-century dandy, ghost copla pervert, Deacon bad boy skips rent, need invitation.
Let the Right One In (Sweden, outstanding film, fabulous book). Hates American remake Let Me In. Loves well-made horror for inherent suspension of disbelief; show transformations.
Dracula/vampire movies endless, market never exhausted; same for zombies (Walking Dead multiple versions). Walking Dead first season great, then sadism/murder porn; point after season one is living are the walking dead, emotionally dead.
Television spikes serotonin by killing cared characters; good TV returns for loved characters. Game of Thrones did it well initially but lost way after eight seasons; rewatching now, season 3 great binged without waits. Pendragon Cycle (rise of Merlin) by Daily Wire, directed by CEO Jeremy Boreing; better than Excalibur (high watermark for Arthurian mythology). Micro-budget reinvents mythology, proper character love, weaves universe; blown away after four episodes. Billions on awful Lord of the Rings vs. this unnoticed gem.
Daily Wire right-wing association causes prejudice, but no embedded ideology. All media has corporate/personal propaganda balancing. Midnight Express nothing like book, alternate experience; success due to Turkey politics, not reality. Billy Hayes (real person) spent life apologizing; wasn't raped in Turkish prison (Airplane! jokes). Hollywood does propaganda to mortify/scare; director personal propaganda diminishing, corporate (DEI) rising, pushing out-of-whack characters.
Big Star Trek fan; watches 2-3 episodes daily chronologically: Original, Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise; connects episodes like DS9 Trials and Tribble-ations with Trouble with Tribbles, Wrath of Khan. Children raised on Star Trek morals. DS9 great, Captain Sisko amazing father-son lessons despite complaints. Original DEI explorations: Riker loves neuter who awakens female then reprogrammed; Kirk turned woman and likes it; integrated into good storytelling, not beaten over head.
Gene Roddenberry to Rick Berman era had amazing writers like René Echevarria, Naren Shankar, technical advisers. Inspired tech: communicators to phones, computer voice (Hey Siri). Alex Kurtzman shits on it; met him offering to write for scale due to fondness, but he wanted no original fans, something new; fucked the bed. Starfleet Academy canceled.
They read The Room. They stopped the idea of a season two. Alex Kurtzman, his company Secret Hideout, is going to need a Secret Hideout after destroying Star Trek for this latest generation. Starfleet Academy is an abomination. Could not get through three episodes of Discovery. Awful storytelling, clunky dialogue, bad acting. More interested in corporate propaganda than personal propaganda, focused on inclusive messaging. Depressing. Seth MacFarlane's The Orville is the proper successor, brought back guys like James Konner. The Orville is a comedy version Seth MacFarlane did, hired original people fired from Star Trek, feels like a continuation. On Hulu. Ripped off Star Trek with tongue-in-cheek quality, brought back original writers, showrunners, directors like Jim Konner. Has the same spirit.
Another good Star Trekish thing is Galaxy Quest with Sigourney Weaver, hilarious, fantastic if you love original Star Trek. Good example of a DEI movie you never notice: Alien has a female lead, never think about it. History of cinema built on powerful women. Complex woman character can have faults, not always dominant and noble, can do everything immediately.
Some Star Wars ones went woke. Ben Affleck talked about AI always going to the middle. J.J. Abrams always goes to the middle, took Luke Skywalker story and reinterpreted it with a strong woman character. Bland, tasteless, nothing new.
Alien one, didn't know who the hero was. Aliens: space marines are tough, badass, but first alien was clever, hiding, sneaking, jumping, suspenseful. One of the best movies ever made, 1979 movie.
Watched Ridley Scott movies: started with Napoleon, what happened to Ridley Scott? Not liked recent Alien movies like Prometheus, confused, need web episode to understand. Technical marvels, shoots big canvas cinema like no one else, helicopter crashes, Battle of Austerlitz with cannonballs breaking ice. But dialogue collapses the movie, worst date movie.
Joaquin Phoenix made a choice to play contemporary, no period accent, like walked off Hollywood Boulevard, no passion, dead performance. Intellectual idea to portray sociopath outsider Corsican, completely failed.
Exodus: Gods and Kings with Christian Bale, interesting chariot battles, archers, Ridley Scott shines in action. Dialogue falls apart. Almost turned me off the Jews, nobody Jewish making it? Moses as adopted Egyptian brother relatable, then hit in head with rock, becomes lunatic everyone follows, distasteful.
Joel Edgerton good as Ramses, butch tough wide-bodied, Australian accent slips out. John Turturro as bald father.
The Last Duel one of the best films of the century. Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Nicole Holofcener wrote script. Ben Affleck blonde, hilarious, genius. Gripped, great date movie. Adam Driver magnificent. Rashomon story, three perspectives on same event like Akira Kurosawa's Rashomon. Matt Damon revelation. Says much about Hollywood: Matt Damon as true fighter knight but pill to hang out with, marginalized for not joining orgies; Adam Driver as Quentin. Friendship goes awry with jealousy. Insane final fight, every blow painful. Best Ridley Scott movie of century, along with Black Hawk Down, Gladiator.
Gladiator 1 magnificent, secret sauce. Gladiator 2 boring, goes through paces. Sigourney Weaver in Exodus not trying, no accent, there for paycheck.
The Counselor with Javier Bardem, Cameron Diaz, avoided thinking comedy. Dark, feel like seen too much about the world. Written by Cormac McCarthy, analysis of power in modern world run by giant cartel, cannot escape. Spectacular, disaster for Ridley Scott 2013. Too much content, Ridley Scott cranks out movies every year.
Quentin talked about Black Hawk Down, best film of century, largely correct. Insanely beautiful, could do without UNICEF commercial at beginning about starving in Africa and Somalia.
Counselor gets terrible reviews, people didn't believe the world is like that. If released today, people would say yeah that's happening. Putting people in sulfuric acid in milk drums, shipping around world.
Epstein files: everybody moving on. Guy at Atlanta airport freaking out, well-dressed black dude: read the Epstein files, all of you going about lives like nothing's happening, zombies, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Global pandemic, aliens, revelations, people eating babies, all acting normal.
Luciferians cast a spell. Vampires can't enter unless invited, predictive programming. Tell ahead of time, make fun in skit like Stephen Colbert: take baby to Moloch in cloudy red furnace, baby fine, audience laughs, conditioned, complicit. Desensitized to demons eating babies. 8,500 people manipulating everything, illusion, reality fake.
Emails hard to digest, in code: walking over beef jerky, pizza, grape soda with cheese pizza, no pizza seen. Coded language, not paranoia. Mundus vult decipi ergo decipiatur: world wants to be deceived, therefore it is deceived. We don't want to believe horrors behind veil.
Sulfuric acid right after indicted 200-something, 6 55-gallon containers full. Ordered 8,000 gallons? To dissolve bodies. Sacrifices every day in Los Angeles, high-level female musician killing chickens.
Purchase order sulfuric acid for reverse osmosis water treatment, seawater desalination on island. Commonly used in maintenance. Timing suspicious, no prior orders? For swimming pool? Muriatic acid. Has desalination plant, dump, tunnels, for irrigation, drinking.
Email: around island like Damascus, explore buried shit. Billionaires eating pizza, grape soda, ice cream weird.
They say a lot of things but aren't coding it much. Code is glaringly obvious with 'pizza' and 'jerky'. How do you walk jerky? Why need a chilled container? So you think they're eating babies? Absolutely believe that. Should get together with Kurt Matzer, you two would go crazy. I don't doubt it. This dates back a long time, Moloch worship.
There was an email: 'Thank you for the torture video. I enjoyed the torture video.' People don't want to accept it. They don't want to believe it.
Commentary notes a remote island with water treatment and energy systems could stockpile quantities for one to two years of operations. Others argue using it directly for reverse osmosis is technically questionable for membrane health. Highly corrosive strong mineral acid that severely burns skin, eyes, dehydrates, and chars organic material. Features in legitimate industrial processes and darker hypotheticals online.
When indicted for sex trafficking and ordering six drums of sulfuric acid right away, are you worried about reverse osmosis plant? Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. 330 gallons of sulfuric acid, only documented purchase order.
Last time talked about pedo cult in Eyes Wide Shut. Went viral, got blowback. Online critics say nothing there, not in Schnitzler novel. Look at the movie: secret cult. Sydney Pollack's character says: 'Do you know what these people do? I'm not going to tell you what they do, but if I told you, it would scare the hell out of you.' After he's been to the place and seen the sex club, obviously more going on. New York Magazine aggressively tried to get debunk. Interpretation resonated, clip went viral. People at high levels of power.
Always been weird secret groups and rituals, way to ensure you're compromised. Confidence operation: find somebody young, less inhibited, catch them doing something illegal, provide mechanism, get video proof, show it: 'We can ruin you, but we'll give you $20,000 a month or $20 million a year instead, work for us.' Explains people flipped out over Trump, over the top.
Democratic party didn't want him in power as outsider? Don't think there are parties, all illusion. Everything you think is illusion. No history before 1600, everything falsified.
Anatoly Fomenko, Russian mathematician and historian, New Chronology series, six volumes plus addendum. All history changed, 1000 years added to timeline for land claims, Eurasian horde, elimination by Vatican, Romanovs collusion. Old maps show Tartaria. Theory uses astronomical evidence, math. Rome, Greece, Egypt active till ~1600, Rome fell ~late 1400s, 1492, not 1000 years earlier. Salem witch trials same time as Inquisition, Columbus discovering America when Rome fell. Designed to erase civilization. Many buildings still exist from that. Jesus composite story with emperor.
Byzantine guy wants to move to France/Germany, wipe indigenous, hire Charlemagne to kill 5000 chieftains in one day, become Jerome the first, run Paris/France. Add time to justify land claim. History cruising then flatlined 1000 years? Or dark ages added to timeline?
Documented history from multiple cultures? Written by Jesuits in control. History easily changed, see it rewritten in real time. We're not in 2026, in 1700s. Just a theory, tent pole collapse.
Progression of humanity progressing, then flatline called dark ages. Conventional: collapse of Rome into barbarism. Not plausible. Everything plausible, like sulfuric acid for RO cleaning, first time ordered. Not good.
Desensitized to insanity last six years. Brains fried, by COVID vaccines? Scientific evidence mRNA crossed blood-brain barrier, detrimental cognitive effect for some. Reprogramming system, giant die-off, people collapsing. Guy at airport flipping out realizing awakening, no one cares.
Everyone wants to get through day, make next movie, keep job. British care about daily pint while country overtaken. When has mass immigration ended well? Shocking speed in England, mass arrests for social media posts, eliminate jury trials except murder/rape. Canada with Carney, post/repost anything, jail. Canadians vibing, don't want to rock boat, be racist/discriminatory. Leaders not taking care. Over, lost.
Slowed down here little bit, Trump road bump to cabal of Clintons, Obamas, bankers. The Counselor movie: cartels are banks, law enforcement, media, everything. No fighting it individually, only affect locally.
More aware now, pushback, possibility to stop. Airport guy: everyone thinks he's crazy. Living life, headed to Florida.
Invasion of the Body Snatchers about McCarthyism. Original with Kevin McCarthy ends with him running streets like airport guy, people ignore. Sutherland one: pretend not alien, show emotion caught. Bolshevik revolution now, rise of Bolshevism: authoritarianism guise of egalitarianism, socialism, murdering Christians. Civilization on precipice. After podcast, 'Avery's crazy, went to jail, killer' to discredit.
Human right to speak up. Good people don't act until have to. Need 9/11 to wake up, unite against real threats.
Know about 9/11: Building 7 thermite. Nobody wants to look: how hijackers got planes, dancing Israelis cheering shipped out. Owner bought building, insurance policy, Elliot Spitzer pushed billions claim, wanted to tear down asbestos expensive. Building 7 housed IRS, NSA, US Secret Service floors 9-10, CIA, DoD sharing 25th with IRS/EEOC. Destroy data. Pentagon hit day after Rumsfeld trillions unaccounted, accounting part hit.
Building 7: 24,000 gallons diesel fuel generators (Salomon Brothers, emergency command center floors 46-47), mechanical spaces, federal investigations/SEC files lost. SEC data gone, start scratch.
Professional skeptic angry: looks like controlled demolition. Watch it fall at free fall speed. Small structure top collapses first, but skirt buildings: inner most sound, facade hanging off. Over Con Edison substation, transfer trusses, long span floors vulnerable thermal expansion, column 79 failed fire-induced loads. Cute explanation why fell free fall like demolition.
Reputable structural engineers: towers couldn't fall without pre-planned explosives. Rescuers heard explosions boom boom boom like controlled demolition.
If my building, give money back, ass building collapsed from fire. Never intact building falls like that, only controlled demolitions. Frames remain in fire-damaged buildings.
Tower 1/2: makes sense, top down, progressive collapse. Testimony multiple pop pop explosions? Could be girders snapping, immense weight, concrete hitting slabs sounds like explosions, fog of war, traumatic memory faulty, confirmation bias.
Piece of building hits Tower 7, gash took it down? Suspect, fire inside sure, but way fell crazy. Drops all at once into base, free
Discussion on WTC 7 falling at free fall speed into its base, unprecedented for a building not subject to controlled demolition. Diesel drums may have created unprecedented fire load, but fire was not uniform on every floor, yet collapse was uniform from top down. Base with heavy fire load should weaken and cause sideways fall, not uniform pancaking. Suggests controlled demolition where timing ensures uniform failure, similar to Vegas casino implosions.
Videos of controlled demolitions shown: buildings fall into themselves like WTC 7. One has different shape with skirt and center structure, but another matches WTC 7 exactly, dropping straight down.
Fight Club (1999) ends with financial buildings collapsing to reset system. Produced by Arnon Milchan, who calls himself Mossad agent. David Fincher directed; Fincher acknowledged last movie made by arms dealer (Milchan). The Medusa Touch (with George C. Scott, Lee Remick) features airplane crashing into building. Milchan obsessed with planes into buildings, collapsing structures. Possibly accessed DoD/Mossad scenario plans; speaker wrote attack scenarios on LA for DoD with John Milius using Hollywood writers (now done by AI). Fight Club released 1999, 9/11 followed—predictive programming or coincidence?
"Conspiracy theorist" label diffuses questioning. Recent files released show outrageous info. People avoid deep dives to maintain sanity, get through day, raise kids in peaceful merit-based world—but reality feels different.
Anthropic engineer resigns, says humanity doomed, moving to UK to write poetry. UK dangerous (Threads reference). Possibly Scottish Highlands or small town pub. Speculation on populated by war-capable men from bombed countries creating refugees.
US Aid not philanthropic; Agency for International Development does dirty tasks too shady for CIA (per Mike Benz). Engineers government collapses, bombings, refugees; open borders invite and fund them to destroy confidence in law enforcement, civilization, elections. Preference: totalitarianism over cannibalism to avoid being eaten. Feels like Children of Men (collapsing birth rates, extinction, totalitarianism; seen in South Korea, Japan). Alfonso Cuarón genius for film.
Chararma (built AI bioterrorism defenses, pushed transparency) resigned amid pressures, Claude Opus 4.6 launch, $20B funding, $350B valuation. Safety vs. commercial speed debate. AI scared him; funders scary people "in the same club."
Elon: speed of light unexceedable unless simulation or Einstein wrong.
Astrophysics based on false premise P equals P prime, sun's Kelvin temperature stability. CAT scan inventor/mathematician realized error via photographic technique overlap; foundational formula wrong, cascades errors. Cosmos view is cartoon via formulas, radio telescopes. James Webb findings issues align.
Experientially, earth flat via eyes; most won't experience otherwise. Laser sighting over water, pilot navigation/maps presume flat earth—no curvature corrections at low jet altitudes despite speed. Pilot manuals/maps flat. No flights Cape Town to Buenos Aires; detour via other hemisphere/London. Satellite photos composite cartoons. Space station not high enough for curvature; lens distortion. Snipers calculate landscape curvature, not global. Pilots no adjustments needed.
Space station footage shows spinning round earth, but claimed lens/horizon. Moon possibly plasma/lenticular effect affecting tides (probes landed?). Procession of equinox measures sky over 26,000 years. Live ISS feed shows stitching line (composite). Horizon perspective; P200 camera zooms objects out. NASA cameras show curvature that inverts. Neil deGrasse Tyson flips out at flat earth like on men/women issues, women's sports, jail electrolysis/breast augmentation for male rapists/pregnant female prisoners.
Reality is consensus; fringes challenge. Flat earth cover-up requires massive involvement—motivation: about God, creation vs. insignificant specks in endless void. Cultures historically depict flat earth with dome/firmament until 1930s telescopes. Alternative: Galileo/Copernicus wrong, recorded history wrong.
Bible has man's hand (edited, e.g., King James wrote on demons). Old Testament too. Not mutually exclusive with vast cosmos/God.
Ancient Hebrew letters double as numbers; words have numerical value. Translating such a complex language is challenging, especially when words like God and love reportedly share the same numerical value. In Genesis, Nephilim come down, find women comely, take them, have sex, and create hybrid offspring. Representative Anna Paulina Luna recommended the Book of Enoch.
Jaime checks Perplexity: No direct name of God shares the exact same numerical value as the word for love in ancient Hebrew (gematria). Sacred name equals 26, a name for God equals 86. Elohim is a name for God. Gematria is primary Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah) used to find hidden spiritual meanings in sacred texts.
Pi (movie) is about ancient Hebrew where letters are numbers, and love and God have the same value. Numerological patterns exist everywhere. A mathematician noted the universe is made of math, encoded in itself—a tool humans created to measure it turns out to be its encoding. This ties to Elon's simulation idea.
Avala (possibly love-related) has gematria value of 13; twice 13 equals 26, the value of Yahweh, implying love mirrors or completes God's essence—God is love, so love twice comes from God. The Carpenter's Son (Nicolas Cage movie) is about Jesus' infancy from Coptic texts, possibly by Matthew.
Numerical value of ancient Hebrew words via gematria (letters double as numbers) is lost in Greek translations because Greek letters have their own values; equivalents rarely match Hebrew sums exactly. Runic writing from Nordics resembles Hebrew; ideas and glyphs Odin learned while hanging upside down from the tree are universal.
Gematria reveals connections between concepts and explores the universe's structure. Ancient Hebrew seems more complex: numerical value in words adds depth beyond tone/context, richer than nouns/verbs/adverbs. Isaac Asimov's Asimov on Numbers discusses Kalahari Bushmen lacking concept of zero, processing 'no one around' differently. Computer programming uses numbers as language.
Some languages lack words for concepts like empathy or maintenance; tribal cultures in subsistence lifestyles don't need maintenance. Thrust into 21st century (e.g., Chinese building highways that collapse without maintenance).
SpaceX video from 11 years ago on Vimeo shows rocket launch; debates on curvature. Rockets go sideways across sky, not above troposphere, to low Earth orbit. Witnessed SpaceX launch live: went straight up, curved sideways to horizon, dropped in Australia 35 minutes later. Low Earth orbit shows globe-like view, but lens distortion inverts horizon. Even presuming globular Earth, at those heights, vision limit appears circular due to massive size—not true curvature.
If in simulation and consciousness affects reality (real only when experienced), things get complex. Testimony of eyes and consciousness interacting creates reality. Gravity undefined, non-provable; density/buoyancy explains same effects (oceans behave via density). Faith in gravity/globe from childhood conditioning; we believe cumulative understanding without knowing much about universe.
Ancient people described based on observations like sun during solar equinox, aware of precession of equinoxes (26,000-year wobble of Earth's axis). Polaris remains centered, stars rotate around it; over 26,000-year cycle, north star changes (e.g., Thuban 3000 BC, future: Arai, Aldebaran, Vega). Perspective varies by cycle position; undergoes figure-8 motion.
Epstein clip: Objects move only by pushing force; gravity measures fall rate but unexplained—name of the phenomenon (Feynman). Density/buoyancy over gravity. Recommend Eric Dubay's 200 Proofs Earth Is Not a Spinning Ball; to prove, must disprove alternatives. Debates cosmologists calmly but doesn't perform well against experts.
Personal experience: No Earth curvature from airplanes due to tiny scale/perspective; horizontal horizon. Day/night differences explained by flat models, but doesn't align with cosmology/orbit. MIT digital stitching in images questioned. Science means observation/testimony; data distant from personal understanding.
Circumference calculations match 24-hour rotation. Challenge: Show water clinging to 24,000-mile-wide spinning ball (gravity as invented explanation). Heavier vs. lighter objects fall same in vacuum (bowling ball vs. feathers)—density alone doesn't explain; some force (gravity) measured.
YouTube channels debunk flat Earth ideas. Collusion of space agencies (Japan, India, rivals) unlikely; more likely articulate schizophrenics with unchallenged videos vs. lifelong experts. Experience faith-based on perspective of tiny beings on enormous globe; numbers/data match globe model.
Shift from flat earth conspiracy to recognizing real evil, distinct from unconnected groups. Difficulty accepting Epstein files details like eating or killing children, using sulfuric acid to boil bodies. Evil is real, documented worldwide, e.g., cartels chopping off heads and flying them via drone to rivals.
Demons exist as concepts resting on men's shoulders, whispering to prompt evil acts. Demons would orchestrate verifiable horrific deeds, e.g., influencing Oppenheimer or Patton to drop nuclear bomb on Hiroshima, vaporizing 100,000+ innocent civilians justified by war.
Counterargument: Bomb ended war, saving more lives. Response: Demons propagate such justifications. Demons enact evil by creeping into minds, providing rationalizations rather than direct commands, boiling the frog slowly.
AIDS crisis: AZT kills but generates massive profit; Fauci publicly stated AZT is only safe and effective treatment, using same language later for COVID. Demons justify via money, gatekeeping truth, denying gain-of-function research despite funding it illegally via EcoHealth Alliance to Wuhan lab, engineering virus for humans to be more deadly/contagious.
Dr. Qiu (pronounced 'key'), researcher at Canada's Winnipeg Level 4 lab, solved Ebola vaccine (manufactured by California company essentially Chinese-owned). Ambitious for next hit, shipped patented microbes/viruses via Air Canada freight from Winnipeg to Wuhan in 2019. Caught by Royal Canadian Mounted Police; walked out of lab amid questions of misappropriated funds. Financer redacted, one of three likely suspects with interests. Involved engineering viruses.
Earlier incident: Lab worker smuggled samples in thermos across Canada-US border to Atlanta lab, got caught due to patents.
Epstein files mention engineering a pandemic, running models. Epstein involved in everything, e.g., Nigeria, Yemen projects alongside trafficking girls/young children. Fact-check: No credible evidence linking Epstein to engineering COVID-19; 2017 email (from 2015 discussions) to Bill (Gates) forwarded to Epstein on pandemic modeling for preparedness, healthcare simulations, not virus creation. Gates Foundation ran Event 201 in 2019 with Johns Hopkins/WHO.
Event 201 weird; pandemic simulations common (e.g., SARS, flu). Epstein involved in gravity research too. Ghislaine Maxwell ran Reddit's r/worldnews forum, main contributor with thousands of posts shaping perception; went dark after her arrest.
Redacted email subject: "Preparing for Pandemics"; redacting sender suspicious, not a victim.
Epstein's Fortnite account active in Tel Aviv post-death. 4chan thread by verified guard (via phone records) pre-death: Used decoy body, unscheduled unlogged ambulance, footage of orange-suited people moving through facility.
Autopsy: Chief NY medical examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson (woman) resigned a year ago, nothing else happened. Compare to Andrew Breitbart's autopsy doctor dying shortly after; Podesta's "alarming amount" of suicides among those involved.
Devil in The Exorcist is Pazuzu, but evidence suggests demonic possession stems from trauma/rape. Epstein funded research on trauma inducing clairvoyance/telepathy.
Film details: Movie-within-movie party; director (British, played by actor resembling J. Lee Thompson) yells at butler/houseman (Nazi references), vanishes, later leaves saying "I have to tell you something." Reagan then predicts astronaut's death, pisses on floor, speaks sexually with British accent, later kills director (head twisted, thrown from balcony).
Implication: Director raped Reagan, invoking demon. Ouija board/totem present, but core from rape.
William Peter Blatty made film John Goldfarb, Please Come Home with Shirley MacLaine; director J. Lee Thompson (British) matches Exorcist director. MacLaine's daughter Sachi; cover of Sachi's autobiography resembles her. Blatty worked on that film.
Thompson's films have pedophilic undertones: Original Cape Fear, Kite with Bronson, Reincarnation of Peter Proud (reincarnated man sleeps with murderer's daughter, effectively his own).
Asked director William Friedkin: He said "I cannot talk about that, but I'm not saying you're wrong."
Reagan asks mother if she likes director "like daddy"; mother: "I like pizza, but I wouldn't marry one" (pizza reference, early 1970s).
MacLaine's autobiography: Husband/boyfriend astronaut returned from space cloned/changed.
People encode info in films (e.g., Kubrick). Motion pictures are magic spells; writing invites possession, voices land on page, flicker in dark theater as myths, traditions, predictive programming.
Loves HBO's Rome for ground-level Shakespearean/historical take on ancient Rome via handmaidens/centurions alongside Mark Antony/Cleopatra.
The Chosen does same for Gospels: Crowdfunded, low-budget (styrofoam rocks, blanket houses, contemporary script), 7 seasons, free to watch. Seen every Jesus film (King of Kings both versions, Zeffirelli, Last Temptation, Passion of the Christ, Jeremy Sisto, worked on Verhoeven's unproduced Jesus film).
Epiphany by episode 3: Jesus is punk rock, no rules (miracles on Sabbath), salvation for all wanting it. Dallas Jenkins directed every episode; brilliant modern filmmaker, outside Hollywood Pharisees.
on what?
The Chosen is available on Apple TV via their app, YouTube, and Netflix eventually bought it. They give it away like Gideons give away the Bible. Season 1 was fantastic. Season 2 had a big budget with an ancient Judea set featuring cobblestone streets, detailed sets, and Roman colonnades in Utah using Mormon standing sets for biblical productions, like Chinacha in Utah, which are unbelievable.
Characters have limited costumes, like only three Roman costumes, but the Legate actor in season 1 is hilarious. The show builds love for characters. Hollywood's bread and butter is revenge and wrath; making movies about forgiveness is much more difficult and requires maturity.
Dallas Jenkins makes every episode about forgiveness from the gospels, achieving a magnificent unbelievable achievement. The show now has seven seasons, built a studio outside Dallas-Fort Worth on Salvation Army property with soundstages. Programming quality like HBO's Rome, emerging from the ether.
Studios and broadcasters focus on wrath and revenge, creating a vacuum filled by The Chosen and Pendragon Cycle.
Exciting time in media and television where normal producers don't have a monopoly, and alternative content often gets larger than mainstream.
Independent filmmaking is almost impossible: work on script, budgets, hit the pavement. Roger is not a flat earther but provokes people.
Built a technology company making AI movies; money thrown at it by attaching AI. Investors came in; now in production on three films:
- Family Christmas movie in theaters this holiday season.
- Faith-based film for next Easter.
- Big romantic war epic.
Classical movies using proprietary stack of technology. Partnered with Massive Studios AI, formed General Cinema Dynamics based in Texas; Roger transitioning there.
Many against AI like Guillermo del Toro, but it's visual effects. Roger's experience with Beowulf movie: used to be $1 million per minute, now $5,000 per minute, looks amazing. Super exciting for independent cinema and future of film/TV production.
Burned through 3+ hours; it's 4:00.
Joe shows NASA ProPain feed on FAR TV pulling multiple feeds; three boxes at bottom, middle one offline. NASA feed offline; channel switches to 3D model of ISS above Earth when connection lost. 30 minutes ago it was live with different feed.
Flat Earth YouTube/Reddit account asking about it; Flat Earth Reddit explained it switches to simulation with ISS above Earth when off. Video description confirms: switches to simulation when connection lost. Stars visible in simulation, not normally with Earth visible.
Glad one thing secure and stable in understanding of reality.
Roger: very fun, thank you. Pleasure.
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