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Joe Rogan Experience #2465 - Michael Shellenberger

PowerfulJREMarch 10, 20262h 57m
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Michael Shellenberger and Joe Rogan analyze Trump's aggressive foreign policy shifts—strikes on Iran, regime pressure in Venezuela—marking the end of the post-WWII rules-based order, amid concerns over terror threats, WWIII risks, and Trump's independent decision-making ignoring think tanks. They critique U.S. domestic failures like California's $24B homeless industrial complex enabling addiction and death, open borders as a Democratic voter strategy, chaotic ICE deportations sparking organized protests, and progressive "pathological altruism" eroding civilization. The discussion pivots to UAP disclosure (Trump's promises, ancient spiritual parallels, counterintelligence hoaxes), Epstein files revealing creepy codes and no clear intelligence ties (leaning suicide despite lapses), urging humility before mysteries like Tic-Tac encounters and biblical entities.

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Michael Shellenberger discusses crazy world events, including war breaking out. Joe Rogan asks about feelings on President Trump. Shellenberger occasionally texts with Trump and receives Truth Social posts. On the Iran situation, neither Shellenberger nor Rogan saw it coming. US national security strategy in November stated they degraded Iran’s capacity, calling it a win with no additional action planned. This ushers in a new paradigm; post-war rules-based order is over. Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada, articulated at World Economic Forum that older rules-based order is gone. AOC tried articulating it at Munich Security Conference in February but fell apart.

Trump administration not clearly pursuing regime change but asserting American power in service of American interests. Doesn’t care much about outcomes in Iran or Venezuela. Venezuela: wanted Maduro out forever; he stole election, was dictator; clean operation to kidnap and remove him. Tel Aviv: massive destruction, fake videos circulating on X (insane bombs dropping); Grok dismantles fakes. Rubio said acted because Israel would act anyway; Netanyahu visited White House often. Trump in charge, making decisions independently—no one pulling strings (not Russians, Israelis). Elon gave $250 million but Trump denied electric car credit. Lesson: Trump independent. No second-order thinking; foreign policy establishment, think tanks irrelevant. Won’t return even under Gavin Newsom or AOC. Europeans, Canadian PM realizing different world.

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