Joe Rogan Experience #2454 - Robert Malone, MD
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Joe Rogan notes it's been nearly 5 years since Robert Malone's last appearance, which caused significant controversy. Malone thought he wouldn't be invited back, fearing Spotify's reaction. Rogan affirms Malone's warnings about vaccine problems proved true, calling it a victory. Clips of Rogan praising Malone circulate. Critics labeled Malone a quack, but his credibility held due to his background: 9 patents on mRNA vaccine technology, total of about 15 patents. Malone took the vaccine (Moderna, administered by National Guard) and experienced horrible adverse events. He was embarrassed by getting COVID in early 2020 and later by vaccine reactions amid widespread fear, anger, and anxiety, which felt organic and frightening.
His cardiologist, who had left UVA hospitals for hormone replacement therapy practice, reacted: "Why were you so stupid to take this?" in 2021. Malone gets asked this repeatedly.
Malone was amazed that claims of solved problems (from his earlier work) seemed true, given massive funding. Problems in his experience: primarily inflammation, not localizable (spread systemically). In monkey models, incredibly inflammatory, no prolonged expression levels, hard to manufacture (expensive reagents, unreliable reactions like "witchcraft" in late 80s). Formulations worked in cell culture but not animals (aggressive white cell infiltrates in mice and monkeys). Abandoned for in vivo delivery due to unacceptable risk. VCL (company where original patents filed) also abandoned RNA, couldn't make it work. Discovered RNA/DNA alone more effective than positively charged lipids (now called lipid nanoplexes).
At UC Davis in 90s, developed/patented new lipids (marketed by Promega), but in vivo delivery unsolved. University of British Columbia (UBC) group, led by Peter Cullis, developed key formulations used in Moderna and Pfizer vaccines (licensed non-exclusively via companies, generating huge revenue).
mRNA not localizable: spreads all over body, contrary to initial claims it stayed at injection site. To travel (international impossible without jab; even national travel restricted, worse in Canada), Malone consulted UBC colleagues. Peter Cullis claimed solved distribution: stays local, goes to draining lymph nodes, no safety issues.
Polyethylene glycol (PEG) (known as antifreeze) creates stealth liposomes that circulate long, evade inactivation. Cullis experimented with fat particle structures, added cholesterol/similar (like Malone's work), short PEG attached via short lipid-like molecule that detaches in body (possibly causing tingling sensations post-jab). Self-assembling particles. Cullis (deserves Nobel) sidelined; his tech core to BioNTech/Moderna.
Convinced by Cullis (experienced liposome expert, senior to Malone), Malone took it for travel and long COVID symptoms (chronic malaise, loss of stamina/pulmonary function; couldn't do farm chores despite lifelong fitness). Narrative promoted vaccine would boost spike response to clear long COVID (now data shows opposite). Got COVID late February 2020 in Boston at MIT computational drug discovery conference (near biotech site of initial outbreak); sick as dog, hard to breathe, thought influenza B (Wuhan variant, genetic changes in Boston).
Sick many months until jab restored him. High-risk: age 61, obese (now lost 40-50 lbs). Self-experimented with repurposed drugs from computational screening (UC San Francisco tech recreating SARS-CoV-2 protein from Jan 11, 2020 Wuhan sequence; virtual libraries via Amazon AWS).
Alerted early by ex-CIA Michael Callahan about Wuhan coronavirus. Built team for repurposed drugs (post-Zika USAMRIID work; vaccines take decade, impractical). When sick, took famotidine (stomach acid drug, higher doses; immediate response, later verified prophylactically) and isoquercetin (less impact). Secured hundreds of millions from Defense Reduction Agency for repurposing/adaptive trials.
Focused on famotidine + celecoxib + ivermectin combo via Minnesota doc collaboration. DoD contracted >$100 million (via SOCOM), cutting-edge trial design. FDA rejected repeatedly, demanding cell culture antiviral proof for ivermectin; DoD dropped it, proceeded with famotidine/celecoxib (some effect). FDA policy decisions perplexing, especially ivermectin (faced propaganda, psychological warfare, nudge).
Post-podcast with Malone, "mass formation psychosis" (from Mattias Desmet, Univ of Gent) "broke the internet"; Google suppressed. Desmet (friend, railroaded, banned from teaching his book on totalitarianism psychology) had epiphany: reliving what he taught (Freud to Plato's cave; 20th century on Nazi Germany).
Core: Social isolation/disassociation (exacerbated by electronics) creates vulnerability. Leader offers solution to psychological pain (human need to connect/belong). People attach vertically to leader/edicts, not horizontally to community, enabling totalitarianism. Examples: Nazi Germany (mothers turning in children, dear leader identity). Still affects some Germans (strict laws).
Modern twist: Weaponized psychology (fifth generation warfare, psychological warfare) via digital tools, nudge tech, info control. Built by UK/US intelligence to counter insurgencies (Vietnam-Afghanistan), then deployed against citizens, launched largely in COVID era.
Nudge technology, developed for positive uses, was deployed by governments against their own citizens, launched in large part in the United States by a presidential directive from Barack Obama. The directive is still in place, establishing nudge technology units in the US. These units are already operating in the UK, where they are advanced, evident in current UK politics with censorship. The US is barreling toward that endpoint, similar to Canada, but lags due to the First Amendment, Constitution, and courts. In the UK, after winning an election, the government believes it is acceptable to deploy modern psychology and information control technology on its population. Once that Rubicon is crossed, democracy becomes completely perverted due to the tech's power. This was experienced during COVID, including with Ivermectin discussions and blowback after the JRE episode.
The JRE episode is a case study in modern psychology warfare technology, digital world, algorithmic information control, creation of digital avatars, and AI-customized messaging fed into digital domains to sell products, shape thinking, and control information access. Example: Stories in US corporate media omit key names; Hindustan Times provides content not allowed in the US. The information environment prevents reliance on corporate media, with boundaries distorting ability to process events.
A House report on COVID documents events up to early vaccines, covering lab leak hypothesis (now allowed in DC after four years). The sequence: JRE discussion triggered Coca-Cola to complain to the Global Alliance for Responsible Media (GARM), created by the World Economic Forum to control advertising. GARM has a socket with Google AdSense, threatening Spotify's advertising. Coca-Cola, a major advertiser tight with the CDC (funded CDC buildings, CDC Foundation alongside Bill & Melinda Gates and vaccine manufacturers), likely acted on CDC's behalf. Coca-Cola wanted CDC to influence WHO against sugar restriction messaging to protect market share, linked to the inverted food triangle influenced by the sugar lobby, which is powerful due to sugar's addictiveness.
This illustrates the integrated ecosystem of influence. Spotify compromise: Joe Rogan made a "hostage video" on his porch announcing a trailer/banner at the bottom of the episode directing viewers to CDC for COVID truth. The episode became hard to find, blacklisted from search engines, but still carries the banner. Similar banners on YouTube for vaccines/COVID are pushed by CDC nudge units, public policy from Obama's directive, still in place.
President Trump left the mechanism directing federal government use of nudge and psychological warfare technology on Americans. From 2015: Obama executive order requiring federal agencies to incorporate behavioral insights into evaluation efforts. Originally Social and Behavioral Science Team, stopped in 2017 per Wikipedia but continued under Trump via General Services Administration's Office of Evaluation Science (OES), decentralized across agencies with euphemisms. Nudges effective in healthcare per psychological science. Weaponization of propaganda normalized.
On GB News four years ago, required to balance anti-government narrative with government representative. UK has active censorship organization controlling news media. Discussed British Army's 77th Brigade psychological warfare unit and civilian branch paying for social media opposition to counternarratives (now direct censorship/jail). UK belief: post-election, government right to use such technology justified.
Congressional report revealed government JIRA ticket system to log activities for censorship. Robert Malone had a JIRA ticket as "anti-vaxer" and "conservative," despite being a vaccinologist. AI like Grok has algorithmic firewalls, detectable by evasion. Zuckerberg apology tour and Twitter Files revealed government censorship of accurate info from professors/researchers via Elon Musk's Twitter purchase, one of the most impactful decisions.
Morning in America: Twitter Files show government involvement. Generational experience from JFK assassination propaganda, Vietnam, increasing sophistication, building immunity to marketing/propaganda. Now visible: AI, influence mapping. X threads on Epstein file networks mind-blowing, shifting narratives with evidence of obscene child discussions, demonic behavior.
Epstein files show clear evidence of talking about children horrifically. Even Mike Benz incredulous. Emails: references to torture video, pizza code (Pizzagate), child feeling God's presence/Jesus watching, Epstein suggests dressing as Jesus. Involves leaders in academia, science, industry, politics.
Film crew on farm dismissed New World Order talk; later Schwab's book confirms it. WEF ads: "You'll own nothing and be happy." King of England launched similar ideas. Vertical information manipulation, delegitimization (conspiracy theorist, controlled opposition), pioneered by FBI in 60s against protests (bad jacketing to divide movements).
Glorious time of social pressures, competition of philosophies. Daily Substack essays expose corruption, falsehoods, reality manipulation—endless material by keeping eyes open.
HHS announced initiatives to investigate Ivermectin for cancer, immediate oncologist outrage, narrative of RFK Jr. promoting falsehoods/conspiracies.
Joe Rogan was puzzled by the intense backlash to his video about recovering from COVID without the vaccine. He was popular and made a video about a cancelled show with Dave Chappelle, listing treatments he took: IV vitamins, monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, Zpack. No mention of these caused controversy, only ivermectin drew demonization. Monoclonal antibodies later became harder to get and were pulled. A friend’s friend in the hospital was denied monoclonal antibodies.
Ivermectin is a Nobel Prize-winning miracle drug, off-patent, with broad activity possibly as an immune stimulant rather than antiviral, pro-inflammatory or pro-immune response. The response suggested it threatened business interests. Zpack (azithromycin) and hydroxychloroquine were also suppressed.
Zev Zelenko (deceased) wrote a letter to the president about hydroxychloroquine data: off-patent, safe in pregnancy, millions of doses experience. Ralph Baric, coronavirus guru possibly involved in virus engineering, published its effectiveness against coronaviruses years ago. Zelenko deep-dived Baric's work, used it clinically in New York for COVID patients, sent letter with experience. President tasked Peter Navarro to source it domestically; Elim got a call to produce more. Lancet published fake paper claiming it toxic and ineffective, later retracted for non-existent data, but damage done—Z-Stack killed.
Cochrane Institute (UK) meta-analysis showed ivermectin effective, but was squashed under influence. One investigator got a grant and continued; Tess Lawrie created World Council for Health in objection. Studies showing effectiveness thrown out, data from India (Uttar Pradesh) suppressed. Merck (original ivermectin patent holder) ran trials via Foundation for NIH (sponsored by Merck, headed by ex-Merck vaccines head Julie Gerberbing), manipulating dosing to show ineffectiveness.
Key reason: effective countermeasure like ivermectin would invalidate PREP Act and Emergency Use Authorization for fast-tracking mRNA vaccines, as rules prohibit if existing countermeasure exists. Propaganda persisted despite exposure, yielding hundreds of billions in profits.
Greatest upward wealth transfer in modern history via vaccines, lockdowns, small business destruction, stimulus fraud. Middle class hollowed out rapidly. Many not angry because they took vaccine and justify it with "vaccine saved millions of lives" and "safe and effective" narratives.
Nobel committee awarded Kariake and Weissman citing vaccines saved millions of lives, hoping to promote uptake. Malone disagrees; Peter Cai and UBC team deserved it for enabling tech.
Europe (EU, UK, Canada), Australia, New Zealand far worse than US. Grateful for functioning constitution, First and Second Amendments. In Romania, Georgescu claimed election stolen via Russian collusion (TikTok), jailed, candidacy inactivated—no constitution protects populists. US deep state problem minor compared to Europe. Midterms loom; dissident physicians, Bobby Kennedy making progress.
Malone faced less than Bobby or Trump; he's "nobody" by comparison. Now aware of levers and gears.
Lawsuit tomorrow (Friday, February 13th) by American Academy of Pediatrics to shut down ACIP changes by Bobby, revert to professional society control. Lawfare ongoing. Potential impeachment articles against Secretary Kennedy, President Trump if House turns. Heading to war by other means, but progress: Kennedy, president restructuring global politics, Make America Healthy Again movement faces pushback.
"Money is the root of all evil." COVID suppression of off-label meds like ivermectin tied to money and control (access to money). Larry Fink, Bill Gates stack wealth as chips in a game, captured by past actions (Gates: polio via vaccine in Africa/India per AP; banned in India). Malone at 66 does good works via Substack (farm paid off, family happy), no power hunger.
Globalist models failing: fake meat dropped. Due to information access; CNN trust eroded—no corrections for COVID lies. Polls show mainstream media trust at all-time low; prostituted to pharma. Trusted News Initiative (TNI, BBC-launched vs. Russian disinformation, repurposed vs. vaccine disinformation) report listed Joe Rogan as major threat to their model.
Rogan appearance blew up Malone's Substack (annual January revenue bump), Rogan's Spotify (gained 2M subscribers in one month; now YouTube 20M+, Spotify ?). Young men (20s, all males) fist-bump gray-haired Malone—lack mainstream representation, reject corporate decay, see Rogan as authentic (no boss, skeleton crew, partnership with Spotify).
No debt, independent (farmer, carpenter), decade as freelancer, doesn't fit corporate life or suck up. Decentralized Substack model: post-COVID consulting gone, delegitimized by top liberal pubs, but emulated Rogan—thousands of essays, near-daily. Shadowbanned on X (1.3M subscribers, feedback of never seeing posts).
Malone notes low visibility on algorithms; asking Grok about him returns that he's a controversial figure. His Substack has many subscribers, supported by core paid subscribers sending $5/month, providing freedom to discuss anything. As a special government employee (SGE) without pay—same category as Elon Musk—he faces guardrails constraining speech due to interactions with the HHS secretary, deputy chief of staff, and State Department.
SGE designation from executive branch. Serves as vice chair (largely honorary) on Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a Federal Advisory Committee Act body advising CDC director solely on vaccine policy. Chairs meetings if chair absent; recent hepatitis B meeting was a slugfest, worst ever. Sits on COVID working group subcommittee; instructed not to discuss next meeting. AAP lawsuit may impact it—stay tuned. Chairs influenza working group. Occasionally advises HHS secretary on issues, e.g., phone call while in Hawaii at rally about biodefense spending decision.
Recalls Hawaii rallies to publicize Stop the Mandates rally in DC; still fighting vaccine mandates. Got call from Bobby Kennedy's (RFK Jr.) team on chicken industry bird flu slaughter. Advised it's nonsensical policy; bird flu in wild bird populations can't be eradicated this way.
Long-standing policy to kill millions of chickens every bird flu outbreak. Similar in Spain: lab leak of African swine fever virus from Spanish research lab collaborating with USDA doing gain-of-function research on swine fever virus, which kills pigs. Dead hogs found last November near facility; China banned Spanish pork, compromising industry. EU upset.
Mass culling logic in factory farming: avoid leaky vaccines (like COVID, influenza) creating vaccine-resistant variants. Examples: ostriches in Canada. Reflexive policy despite natural reservoirs making eradication impossible.
Avian influenza carried by migratory waterfowl (ducks, geese); survives long in water. Birds resistant after centuries/millennia exposure. Example: West Nile virus in crows—populations now resistant, virus persists (Brett Weinstein's evolution domain). Other reservoirs: ticks/deer for Lyme. Can't exterminate (Mao's bird extermination caused ecological catastrophe).
Factory farms are petri dishes. Amish use hypochlorous acid in water to stop avian influenza, E. coli. US agencies entrenched; FDA changes only via retirement/death. RFK Jr. questions sense of culling.
Advocates breeding bird flu-resistant chickens from vast chicken cultivars repository (old-school gain-of-function). Tyson etc. should prioritize; government incentivize. Culling never works due to endemic reservoir. Shift to alternatives: prophylactic feed/water interventions, misters in chicken houses for non-toxic agents like HOCl to knock out viruses, E. coli, improving food conversion metrics.
Supports group under Secretary Rubio on arms control treaties, especially Bioweapons Convention. Invited as keynote to Geneva on February 12th for talk on AI for monitoring bioweapons threats/compliance—historic problem. President pushes AI solution. Scheduled conflict with Rogan podcast; State Dept prioritized Rogan.
Breaking: Spanish lab (Wuhan 2.0) near wild hog area doing gain-of-function (called recombinant viruses) with USDA for vaccine. Construction ongoing. Dense wild hogs nearby; dead wild hogs last November indicate lab leak. Police investigating. Catalonia near French border, high-density hogs into Italy. Advocates Trump raise trade barriers to protect US agriculture.
Using drones to hunt; hard (Texas helicopters, hogs win—like Australia emu wars). No vaccine yet; lab aimed to develop one but created more transmissible strain.
Europe controlled fox/wolf rabies via helicopter-distributed rabies vaccine baits.
Gene drive technology (Gates-promoted for mosquitoes) risks exterminating species; CRISPR application. Should not release into environment due to complex ecosystems. Lab experiments underestimate ecosystem risks; post-COVID lesson to acknowledge low-risk, high-impact events.
The big picture is that COVID-19 came out and was engineered. The most likely hypothesis is an unintentional release, such as infection of a lab worker, which happens repeatedly in these facilities. These low probability events can have extremely high global impacts. Risk management requires rethinking due to expert arrogance: "I'm an expert, I have the right to play in this sandbox. You don't have the right to tell me."
Biotechnology power is accelerating exponentially like semiconductors. Bioethics, regulatory structures, and risk thinking cannot keep up, creating a new threat scene.
Digital tech enables information control, suppression, manipulation, psychological programming through avatars. In parallel, rapidly advancing biotechnology fuels transhumanism visions like Yuval Harari's. Silicon Valley pushes artificial wombs for reproductive rights, avoiding carrying babies or surrogates. A lamb has been grown de novo in an artificial womb. Proponents see it as freeing and advancing women's rights, disregarding complex mother-fetus interactions like hormone exchange.
Who knows what kind of humans you're going to develop with no interaction with the mother at all the entire nine months where they're developing?
Artificial wombs enable growing clones for donor tissue as an insurance policy for organ transplantation. Yana Kelik, Washington bureau chief for Epoch Times, wrote a book documenting organ harvesting on demand in China using live prisoners in compounds, tested for genetics, harvested for Westerners and CCP leaders—enormously profitable. References Putin open mic clip on transplantation to live another 100 years.
Again, demonic. It sounds demonic. I mean, is a soul a real thing? Just because it can't be quantified by science, you can't measure it.
Stress on mother imparts unwanted characteristics in children; playing music has real soothing effects.
With CRISPR, genetically modify a few cells and grow a fetus. Watch Gataca (G-A-T-A-G-A, DNA sequence reference) to understand the brave new world and ethical conundrums—great production value, underappreciated, terrifying.
Driving force: convenience for custom-built humans—better, stronger, bigger, smarter, better vision, eliminate problems. Whole genome sequencing now costs $300, portal for selective engineering with Cas9 CRISPR systems. Threshold of manipulating life fundamentals in every species including humans.
Concurrent vectors: robotics, computational advances. Microfusion reactors to power data centers, transforming energy landscape.
Video of artificial womb looks like Matrix, 3D rendered. Business model convenience for mothers, perfect baby.
What kind of psychology does this child have with no exposure to its mother?
That's a [__] serial killer.
Ted Kaczynski story: as baby, isolated in nursery, no human contact, no one picked him up when he cried. Brother described him as off forever. Early stage neural development is profound.
Loops to vaccines: jabbing tiny kids like hepatitis B when growing rapidly, injecting toxic uncharacterized chemicals, stacking shots, no studies done—for profit.
Reagan administration exempted vaccines from legal ramifications for adverse effects, free license to expand schedule and profits. Once licensed, cash cow in perpetuity. Get on pediatric schedule via ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices), which decides vaccines for children program purchases—outside congressional oversight, captured by pharma, CDC, academia. Decisions never reverse.
Triggers indemnification (different from COVID PREP Act). Manufacturer gets no liability, guaranteed purchasing/distribution/marketing by CDC ("vaccines safe and effective"), school mandates. Perfect business model: taxpayer-funded, no risk.
It's so scary how many people just go along with it.
Propagandized into religious dogma; parents administer to kids, believe wholeheartedly. Audience applauds "vaccines don't cause autism" without evidence.
Suzanne Humphries' Dissolving Illusions must-read: history shows infectious diseases declined before vaccines due to sanitation, removing lead (powdered wigs, etc.), water improvements—ascribed to vaccines by marketers. Candace Owens highlighted this.
Polio: 95-99% asymptomatic. DDT spraying caused same paralytic symptoms; first US infections in rural DDT-sprayed areas.
Cutting-edge genetic investigations identify causes. Myocarditis post-vaccination rare but significant, higher in certain populations. Group identified 7 genes as high risk factors for myocarditis after vaccination (also seen with smallpox vaccines). Funding cut halfway under Biden but progressed.
Positive: genetic tests to detect risk for paralytic polio, myocarditis. Insights into rare events via genomics. High-risk COVID groups: obesity, elderly, high inflammation.
Team Kennedy committed; manufacturers can't hide narratives. Long-term studies take decade, grief ahead, but truth via science, sequence analysis, epidemiology intersection. Public policy hard, but bright lights at HHS.
Yuval Harari: man as God, no longer need God. Dark Aeon book on Silicon Valley transhumanism culture. Advocates (Bill Gates cast, younger ones) want to upload consciousness digitally to live forever (Ray Kurzweil).
UAP rabbit hole: black funding, defense contractors, inventions from back-engineering. Capability transcends Einsteinian physics, aligns with Hawking's, extremely high energy systems.
Models: all us with secret tech (Tic Tacs), or physics beyond known—high energy enables motion/transportation, matter state crossing, transmedium (air to water, no ripples). Military witnesses report despite disincentives.
High energy source in small package possible with microfusion reactors. Energy fuels economic development. Trump invested via Truth Social leveraging.
Emerging into a future of micronukes as decentralized energy sources, first driven by tech bros for data centers. As technology matures and patents expire, power generation in small packages can be placed anywhere, transforming economic activity and humanity's future. Pushing this technology enables extremely large energy in small packages for various uses, including weaponization. Speculation that certain phenomena are driven by point sources of functionally unlimited energy makes sense of otherwise incomprehensible things.
Well, we're in for a very interesting future one way or another.
Yes. And it doesn't have to be dark and demonic. Hopefully not if we let these bastards have their way.
Jamie corrects: Video shown earlier isn't real—not a real company, made by a Berlin filmmaker in 2022, went viral. Found in a New York Post article that presented it as real. It's getting confused with a pregnancy robot announced in China in 2025, which also isn't real—no real company or scientist named.
Nonetheless, they are working on artificial wombs. See if you can find images of the artificial womb with a lamb.
They've seen the lamb artificial womb before, but the factory version was obviously AI-generated synthetic images.
I don't want to give out fake news. God forbid. We might get banned.
Joe thanks Robert for returning under less hostile world terms. Robert notes it wasn't hostile then, but the world was. Joe reflects that Robert's previous message was received hostilely, but this time it's not—most people are aware, and the ideas aren't far-fetched; more open now, partly attributable to Robert and the community.
Robert credits the community of physicians and scientists, including primary care practitioners, from weekly meetings providing frontline knowledge of COVID experiences. Collaborated with physicians at Ditra on what they experienced. Never managed COVID patients except himself, but shared others' voices through the platform.
It was a moment in time and I think we did good. But by God they came at us. It was wild.
Joe thanks Robert again, appreciates him being there, says it was fun. Robert reciprocates. Goodbye to everyone.
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