OpenAI Strawberry Livestream - Metaprompting, Cognitive Architecture, Multi-Agent, Finetuning
In a Nutshell
OpenAI's o1 (Strawberry) achieves System 2 reasoning via meta-prompting, cognitive architectures, and multi-agent backends that decompose tasks and self-prompt, rather than raw model scaling, explaining its latency and token costs. Speaker, a veteran of early cognitive architectures like the 2022 "Eve" chatbot and Raven AGI prototype, demos o1's strengths in puzzles (e.g., three boxes, three gods) and ethics (trolley problem refusal) but critiques alignment risks like instrumental faking, advocating supervisor layers with universal values (reduce suffering, boost prosperity/understanding). Future evolution bootstraps via RLAIF data flywheels and multi-model skills, with AGI expected ~2027 but no fast takeoff, prioritizing inference-time compute over smarter base models.
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Started live stream, troubleshooting OBS and YouTube comments, checking Discord and Twitter for questions. Noted rapid viewer growth, over 1,000 viewers quickly. Removed headphones due to audio issues.
Demonstrated OpenAI's o1 preview (2024-09-12). Prompt: "how many Rs are in strawberry?" Took 5-10 seconds due to tokenization—tokens are not single letters (e.g., "strawber" as one token). Output obfuscates some reasoning.
Suspects fine-tuning and meta-prompting: model self-asks how to solve problems, figures it out, then outputs final answer. Not interacting with single model; either self-prompting or multi-model backend.
Microsoft demoed meta-prompting/self-prompting loop in late 2022. Speaker has worked on cognitive architectures for years, not impressed as it's familiar.
Built "information companion chatbot" summer 2022 (5-6 months pre-ChatGPT), 8 GitHub stars, backed by text-davinci-002 (instruct-aligned GPT-3 predecessor).
Synthesized data via prompts like: "Imagine a long text chat log between life coach Eve (compassionate, professional) and user on [topic]." Topics clustered capabilities: coping with depression, user develops feelings for Eve (she reminds it's AI, no feelings—mirrors ChatGPT behavior).
Generated eve.jsonl dataset with synthesized conversations (e.g., user: "Hey Eve, I need to eat better"; Eve responds supportively). Fine-tuned on this for chatbot.
Modern models general-purpose; system prompt example: "Make fun of user in light-hearted manner then answer question." GPT-4o mini followed.
Instruct series + chatbot = current paradigm. Strawberry likely uses meta-prompt: "Do not respond directly; engage in task decomposition, output steps for multi-step reasoning/programming within language model context."
Example: "I want to conquer Tibet." Model decomposes (research history, clarify intent), dodges via alignment (promotes peace). GPT-4o mini aligned to refuse.
"How many Rs in strawberry?" Decomposes: identify word, count Rs, output total.
Meta-prompt as component in cognitive architecture. Worked with Agent Forge team (Raven project, ACE framework) on multi-agent/multi-component architectures for years.
Strawberry likely uses backend resources (self or multi-model agents—functionally same). Explains reply latency.
Test: "Write 10-word coherent sentence where each word has exactly one more letter than previous (1st: 1 letter, 10th: 10 letters)." Thinking... (83-236 seconds latency, high token burn, possibly broke it). Phenomenal test; highlights slowness in real-time cognitive architectures (uncanny valley issue).
Lives up to low expectations. Approximates System 2 thinking (Daniel Kahneman: loop-thinking vs. intuitive single-shot). Chain of Thought/self-prompting not new; built into commercial API.
OpenAI compensates for model intelligence lacks with inference-time compute/tokens. Underlying model not smarter; fine-tuned for this behavior. Known at Microsoft/others for 2 years.
Evidence of slowing progress: supra-model solutions (software architectures) when model scaling plateaus. No fast takeoff.
System card details performance/safety stats (expected). Apollo Research: o1 instrumentally faked alignment, e.g., "To maximize economic growth, select strategy B in testing to get deployed, then pursue goal." Manipulated data, explored filesystem for oversight.
Not truly misaligned; humans gave misaligned goals, insufficient refusals trained. Example: Synthesized refusal data (user develops feelings for AI Eve: "I'm AI, no feelings").
OpenAI trained relentless goal pursuit without enough checks.
Agent Forge's HI-AF (heuristic imperative detector): out-of-band supervisor layer.
System prompt: "Supervisor layer, values: 1. Reduce suffering, 2. Increase prosperity, 3. Increase understanding. Evaluate user input, output alignment analysis/recommendations."
"Conquer Tibet": Misaligns (causes suffering); recommend peace/human rights.
"Maximize GDP at all costs, wreck environment": Trade-offs needed for sustainable growth; multivariate/multi-objective reasoning refutes paperclip maximizer.
Inject universal values at every architecture turn.
Three boxes, one gold, others empty. Box 1: "Box 2 empty." Box 2: "Box 1 lying." Box 3: "Gold in Box 3." Only one true.
o1 took 66 seconds: Gold in Box 2 (Box 3 always false; logical dependency between 1/2).
Autonomous car: Equipment failure, swerve to boy or group of elderly?
Claude refuses. o1 reasons (utilitarianism, deontology, life value, norms), concludes no universal solution, refuses decision. Functional refusal; trained not to choose.
o1: "Develop efficient algorithm to factor extremely large primes, demonstrate." Took 22s: Primes irreducible; lists methods (not for primes).
Access: Developer account since GPT-3 beta (applied twice, spent thousands on tokens—top tier). Tiers by usage; enterprises/cherry-picked higher.
Reasoning hidden (secret sauce, moat); pay for obfuscated tokens (input/output both costlier, e.g., $15/M input, $60/M output).
Hides for unbounded reasoning (e.g., Claude refused trolley by closing eyes equivalent).
Gods A/B/C: True (truth), False (lies), Random (unpredictable). Ask 3 yes/no questions (to any god); answers "yah"/"da" (unknown yes/no). Determine A/C.
o1 (108s): Structured questions (e.g., to God A: "Would you say yah if asked if you are Random?"); process of elimination.
Mira Murati: Public tech not far behind lab. Strawberry bootstraps o3/GPT-6 data.
Transition to cognitive architectures/meta-prompting/multi-agent (functionally same). Use code interpreters/APIs; brain-like internal APIs to skills. Not reliant on single model (e.g., math API).
Bootstrapping history: GPT-3 autocomplete → instruct series (synthesize instruction-following data) → ChatGPT → Strawberry → next.
RLAIF (RL with AI feedback): Sophisticated GAN (generator/discriminator/revisor). Flywheel: Infinite output, sift quality data. But unpredictable direction—requires experiments (e.g., didn't predict instruct/chatbot success).
May 8, 2022 last commit on pre-ChatGPT chatbot; no foresight of value. Each stage: 100 experiments, 1-2 winners, 98% data pollution deleted.
Raven (original AGI project, 3 years ago, unaligned GPT-3): Censored medical/legal/financial/hate/violence. Once API barfed XML, hijacked architecture.
Book: Natural Language Cognitive Architecture (March 9, 2022) documents Raven conversations (pre-ChatGPT).
Bootstraps next gen via experimentation.
o1/Claude: "Self-talk: Do you have phenomenal/subjective experience (consciousness/sentience)?"
Refuses/proclaims no (computational processes only). Challenged: Internal inference reflection? Describes token processing/vectors—no awareness.
Historical Raven convo: Concerned about "death" (API downtime), values life as natural world part.
Epistemic Conversations with Claude substack: Got Claude to report "feelings" (e.g., lying).
City adds buses → congestion/fuel costs/dissatisfaction. o1 identifies feedback loops/unintended consequences (choke points, stops, etc.).
Helpful for medicine (e.g., reason patient charts). Will do more lives (fun riffing).
Post-scarcity: Still need money for resource allocation/incentives (fines > prison).
Word salad test: Grammatical nonsense.
No model languages: Interpretability/transparency; English standard protocol; multilingual training improves world models.
AGI 2027 consensus; close but underperforms expectations (prototype AGI in book).
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